reply to post by adjensen
Faith without works is dead. You say you have faith, but I show my faith by my works.... sound familiar?
No man can earn their salvation for it is a free gift through faith in Yeshua, but what did Yeshua do? What is the NEW Testament? What was the Old
Testament? I love how they love to do little word changes. It's the New Covenant bought by the shed blood of Yeshua ha Mashiach as opposed to the
Old Covenant initiated between God and Abraham and the blood of animals. We are told of this New Covenant:
Jer 31:33 "This is the covenant I will make with the people of Israel after that time," declares the LORD. "I will put my law in their minds and
write it on their hearts. I will be their God, and they will be my people.
So, we have Yeshua saying he will not change on tiniest part of the Law, and we have been promised a new covenant that is the same as the old, but
this time instead of being written on stone, it's written on our hearts. It is there because of the gift of faith and following in the footsteps of
What did Yeshua say?
Mat 19:17 And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the
Mat 19:18 He saith unto him, Which? Jesus said, Thou shalt do no murder, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not
bear false witness,
Mat 19:19 Honour thy father and thy mother: and, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
We have Yeshua quoting the ten commandments!
Yeshua knew what was required and it came down to what is in our hearts. What we put before God, and in this case, the young man was rich. Yeshua
told him to go sell all his possessions give to the poor and follow him. It was not a mandate of everyone to give way everything, but Yeshua knew
what was blocking THIS man.
I submit to you, that we want what we want as believers and we don't want to keep God's commandments, so we latch onto Paul's words as if they have
more weight that Yeshua's! Yeshua put life above all, and he dealt with the unbending Pharisees who would rather see a donkey die than work on
Sabbath. But, nowhere does Yeshua say to not observe it or to change it to a day you prefer. Yeshua observed all the feasts of the Lord, and we are
told to follow in His example.
In Revelation we see,
Rev 2:2 I know thy works, and thy labour, and thy patience, and how thou canst not bear them which are evil: and thou hast tried them which say
they are apostles, and are not, and hast found them liars:
When did people turn away from Paul? Paul even tells us that Asia did:
2Ti 1:15 This thou knowest, that all they which are in Asia be turned away from me;
Yeshua warned of this one coming in their own name whom they would accept. He warned over and over about the false ones.
Joh 5:43 I am come in my Father’s name, and ye receive me not: if another shall come in his own name, him ye will receive.
Paul loves his name, he writes his letters boldly, “I Paul” “I the Apostle Paul” “I the appointed Apostle” and he dispenses his
instructions which are 90 to 95 % in line with the word of God, but then he puts in his twists. What sort of twists? Let’s examine the differences
in the teachings of Yeshua / Jesus and Saul:
Jesus Says Not To Eat Meat Sacrificed to Idols, But Paul Says It Is Ok
Three times Jesus in the Book of Revelation condemns eating meat sacrificed to idols, even saying this is the doctrine of a false prophet. (Rev.
2:6, 14 (Ephesus); Rev. 2:14-15 (Pergamum); Revelation 2:20 (Thyatira).)
This absolute prescription also was set forth in James’ ruling at the Jerusalem Council in Acts 15:20. Then it is repeated when it was put in a
letter. (Acts 15:29.) Finally, James reiterates this for a third and final time in Acts chapter 21. James tells Paul that many claim Paul is teaching
lawless doctrine. So James reminds Paul what was the ruling at the Jerusalem Council. He tells Paul that previously “we wrote giving judgment that
they [i.e., the Gentiles] should keep themselves from things sacrificed to idols….” (Acts 21:25.)
However, Paul clearly teaches three times that there is nothing wrong in itself eating meat sacrificed to idols. (Romans 14:21;1 Corinthians
8:4-13, and 1 Corinthians 10:19-29.) The first time Paul addresses the question of “eating meat sacrificed to idols,” Paul answers: “But food
will not commend us to God; neither if we eat not….” (1 Cor. 8:8.) Paul then explained it is only necessary to abstain from eating such meat if
you are around a “weaker” brother who thinks an idol is something. (1 Cor. 8:7, 8:10, 9:22.) Then, and only then, must you abstain. The reason is
that then a brother might be emboldened to do something he thinks is sinful. The brother is weak for believing eating meat sacrificed to an idol is
wrong. This is thus a sin for him to eat, even though you know it is not sinful to eat meat sacrificed to idols. Thus, even though you know better
than your weaker brother that it is no sin to do so, it is better to abstain in his presence than cause him to sin against his weak conscience and be
“destroyed.” (1 Cor. 8:11.)
Jesus Says The Law Continues, But Paul Says No
CAVEAT: The Law given Moses applicable to “foreigners/sojourners” (Gentiles) is a relatively small set of moral commands primarily from
Leviticus, incorporating most of the Ten Commandments. So if the Law given Moses applies to Gentiles, it is not a burdensome list. Yet, we are still
applying literally the Law, just as James did in Acts 15, by treating the term “foreigner/sojourners” versus “Israel” as literally as
possible. This distinction perfectly explains why James said circumcision does not apply to Gentiles, i.e., Leviticus 12:1-3 only requires sons of
“Israel” to be circumcised. See this webpage where we discuss this issue in more depth.
Jesus’s View on the Law. Jesus emphasized the validity of the Law up through the passing away of Heaven and Earth, thus confirming its
inspiration and ongoing validity. In Matthew 5:17-19 we read:
(17) Think not that I came to destroy the Law [of Moses] or the prophets: I came not to destroy, but to fulfil. (18) For verily I say unto you,
Till heaven and earth pass away, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass away from the Law, till all things be accomplished [i.e., all things
predicted appear on the stage of history]. (19) Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, shall be
called least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, he shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven. (ASV)
If we are HIS disciples who love and follow Jesus, then we should follow HIS example. Just as the first Adam fell through not keeping God’s
Commandments, Jesus as the second Adam with no sin nature did what no other had been able to do, and that was to live according to and obey HIS
Father’s commandments! We fall short often, but we repent and seek to do what is right in all things. Yeshua / Jesus kept the commandments of
Thus, Jesus can never be accused of seducing any Christian from following the Law. Jesus cannot be a false prophet under Deuteronomy 13:5 (false
prophet is anyone who has miracles and wonders but seduces you from following the Law). Jesus said the Law remained valid until the Heavens and Earth
pass away. This passing of heaven and earth occurs at the end of the Millennium. This is 1000 years after Christ’s Second Coming, according to the
Book of Revelation.
I don’t want you to miss out on this very important “secret” if you will. It’s one of the key portions to understand. Read Deuteronomy now,
and see if you have been tested and found wanting or will you hear, “Well done my good and faithful servant.”
Deu 13:1 If there arise among you a prophet, or a dreamer of dreams, and giveth thee a sign or a wonder,
Deu 13:2 And the sign or the wonder come to pass, whereof he spake unto thee, saying, Let us go after other gods, which thou hast not known, and
let us serve them;
Deu 13:3 Thou shalt not hearken unto the words of that prophet, or that dreamer of dreams: for the LORD your God proveth you, to know whether ye
love the LORD your God with all your heart and with all your soul.
Jesus said, one would come in his own name, doing signs and wonders. That we were not to trust him. Jesus/Yeshua our blessed savior who died for us,
and rose again defeating death warned us of all things, and have we paid attention? I remind you:
Joh 5:42 But I know you, that ye have not the love of God in you.
Joh 5:43 I am come in my Father’s name, and ye receive me not: if another shall come in his own name, him ye will receive.
Paul’s View on the Law. Paul says the opposite.
Paul is blunt in Ephesians 2:15, Colossians 2:14, 2 Cor. 3:11-17, Romans 7:1-3 et seq, and Galatians 3:19 et seq. The Law is “abolished,”
“done away with,” “nailed to a tree,” “has faded away,’ and was “only ordained by angels…who are no gods.” If we were to cite
Paul’s condemnations of the Law in one string, the point is self-evident that Paul abrogated the Law for everyone. See Eph. 2:15 (“setting aside
in his flesh the law with its commands and regulations”); Col. 2:14 (“having blotted out the bond written in ordinances that was against us, which
was contrary to us: and he hath taken it out that way, nailing it to the cross;”) 2 Cor. 3:14 (“old covenant”); Gal. 5:1 (“yoke of
bondage”); Rom. 10:4 (“Christ is the end of the law“); 2 Cor. 3:7 (“law of death”); Gal. 5:1 (“entangles”); Col. 2:14-17 (“a
shadow”); Rom. 3:27 (“law of works”); Rom. 4:15 (“works wrath”); 2 Cor. 3:9 (ministration of condemnation); Gal. 2:16 (“cannot
justify”); Gal. 3:21 (cannot give life); Col. 2:14 (“wiped out” exaleipsas); Gal. 3:19, 4:8-9 (“given by angels…who are no gods [and are]
weak and beggarly celestial beings/elements”).
Jesus Says Only God Is Your Spiritual Father, and Call No Man on Earth Your Father, But Paul Says He Is The Corinthians’ Only Spiritual
and ye may not call [any] your father on the earth, for one is your Father, who is in the heavens, (Matt. 23:9 YLT)
But Paul says:
For even if you had ten thousand others to teach you about Christ, you have only one spiritual father. For I became your father in Christ Jesus
when I preached the Good News to you. (1 Cor. 4:15, NLT)
Need some more?
Jesus says Nations Of The World Are Under Satan, But Paul Says Their Rulers Are Agents of God
Compare Lk 4:5-8, Jn 18:36, 19:18, Ac 4:26 (Ps 2:2) versus Paul in Rom 13:1-5.
The celestial kingdom is described in the Gospels as of another order from the entire realm of the nations, which are ruled by Satan and whereby
Christ was crucified. (See our webpage discussion.)
On the other hand, the secular authorities with all their weaponry (including Mk 15:16 ff) are stated by Paul to be God’s own agents. (Romans
13:1-5.) (Source: Metalog) [Added 9/25/2010]
Paul also contradicts Hosea 8:4 (700s BC): “They set up kings without my consent; they choose princes without my approval.” (NIV)
Cf. Thomas Aquinas recognized a Christian had no duty to obey unjust laws, implicitly recognizing the world’s rulers are not God’s agents. (Summa
Theolgia (Copleston) Question 96, Art. 6; see Feldman at 307 fn. 125.)
Paul instructed his disciples not to allow anyone’s message to compete with his: “Even if an angel from Heaven should preach a gospel to you
other than that which we have preached to you, let him be cursed.”[Gal 1: 8)
What if that God’s Son preached a different message?
It is not my intention to cause division. It is my intention to discuss truth, and bring unity to the body of Messiah. I ask you, did Paul bring
unity? Did Paul line up with the teachings of Yeshua / Jesus? Did Paul submit to the rightful authority which Yeshua left in place or did Paul argue
and go his own way? What was the fruit of Paul’s labor? What is the end result of his writings? They have caused more division amongst believers
than anything else. Yeshua brought life and peace, joy and comfort. Paul’s words so often have brought pain, suffering, division and misery. Who
is the good shepherd and do you follow him or Paul?
If you still think Paul is a true Apostle of Jesus and can prove it, here is your chance to win $1000.00. Just go to this web page, read it, follow
the instructions. Please let me know when you win the money. So far, no one has. How can Paul be an Apostle when this verse clearly tells us there
are only 12?
Rev 21:14 And the wall of the city had twelve foundations, and in them the names of the twelve apostles of the Lamb.