reply to post by Harte
And Harte, everytime something profound is revealed, the entire world of knowledge is easily and gracefully stroked.
OP, I read it all. I've read all the replies.
Mama is the only one so far that has been honest and respectful at that.
What happened to respect for a 75 year old thinker? There is more wisdom in him than in most here I see. Even if everything he is saying is
completely out-of-line, at least he is getting SOMEWHERE.
You can be like Tesla and spend years calculating and only fail a few times. Or you can be like Edison and spend years just failing.
Either way, you finally win.
As long as you adhere to your current understanding and defend it vehemently without being willing to, in spite of all reason, attempt to shoot your
understanding all to pieces (for if your understanding is the most solid, you will not be able to shoot it to pieces); then you will never, ever, ever
Acquiring knowledge from a book or from someone else's mind is easy. We have trained animals to do that.
Acquiring wisdom, on the other hand, not everyone does, neither is fully capable (until it is revealed to them, or they stumble upon it like an oasis
in the middle of a desert during a sandstorm); when you acquire wisdom, you learn that the text books that you defend will burn up tomorrow. They are
good for allowing people to live in the here and now, for now. TO perform calculations right now. But to waste your useful selves on something as
silly as defending that which burns up tomorrow; there is no greater foolishness. There is no greater folly.
The OP has not assumed that all science is wrong. What he has proposed is the truth - that what you think you know is not the whole story; and some
of it is fabricated so that it looks neat to you when you take it in.
When you build a house, and when you finally get to the point of putting the walls in, you want to cover up the insulation and the wires and the
pipes. You want to cover up the lines where the wall meets itself. You want to prime and paint it. You want to put molding around the edges so as
to hide the lines, add beauty, and provide protection and sometimes support for other objects.
But if you have ever worked construction, you know that sometimes mistakes are made. Sometimes the mistakes would be huge if it weren't for the
awesome invention of cover-up.
Tape over it then paint over it. Spackle it and paint it. Oh just put the molding over it, it's fine. Just cut this piece that way and slap it on
there, that's fine. Famous last words: "It'll be alright. Don't have to be perfect."
Because people have deadlines and they're looking to get paid.
The sky is beautiful indeed. When it's your job day in day out for ever and ever and ever... and the tasks are tedious...
It's like someone that wants to become a doctor or nurse to help people. But how many times are you going to inject someone with a needle, have to
put up with their insane fits, be crapped on, and eventually watch them die without their dignity.. before you become hard?
The stars are not beautiful anymore to those there. They are resources for information and entertainment, in the long run, for them.
New people show up in the field excited. They are soon jaded by the coldness, lack of enthusiasm, and almost snobbish disdain for joy concerning any
such a matter.
If you leave it up to these people to decide what is our knowledge, then you set yourselves up to be nothing short of fools.
They apply the knowledge because it is their job.
It is up to the wise, those who are capable of going outside of the process, and to enjoy outside the process, and to ever live freely of the bounds
of the universe, it is to them that we owe our understanding (though lesser it may be to the much grander spiritual understanding, but grand
nevertheless); and it is to them that we owe what we have to apply today.
Bruce Lee developed the Tao of Jeet Kune Do for himself. Not for everyone else. That was never the point.
And yet today, most forms of martial arts have employed his techniques. And that was against his teachings, philosophically speaking. His
implication was "my body does what my body does. Yours does what it does. Each are going to be different. Until we have 3 arms and 5 legs, the way
we move is going to be different." He was the master. Hands down. No one like him (in the spotlight, that is). And yet, everyone believes they
must imitate his exact form to be as great as him.
And every master of his field would tell you, "you're mad. Don't step on my heels, that's annoying. Don't breathe in my ear, that's even more
annoying. Go your way." This, of course, in the world of the wisdom of men. The world of the wisdom of spirituality, which is perfection defined,
is a different story.
But in the arts and in the sciences, there is not, and it should not be implied, especially by those that seem to themselves that they are
intelligent, or capable of forming understanding; it should not be implied that our human knowledge is any good at all. People say, "But we ran the
experiments, got results, and we can recreate the results. This is proof!"
No. Sorry. Not until you can explain what the most fundamental building blocks are in the universe are, you don't have proof. You just think you
do. You think, because you can repeat a result, that you -actually- know what is happening.
You only know what appears to be happening according to our extremely limited interpretive methods. And that's all you know.
Unless you have a sense of intuition and impartiality. Judgment is good, very good. You cannot get anything done, really, without it. And
especially you would not very well be able to stand by your physical experiences if you didn't have it.
Comet ships? Sure, why not. I've not ever BEEN IN a comet, so how could I possibly actually know? If it was my job to make a movie entitled, "Comet
ISON: Super Ice Ball Travelling Real Quick - Another gift from Oort" then I would apply practical understanding and simply make that movie. Of
course, it would be a fiction, because I don't know. But I know what people think they know, and that would provide entertainment, and money, and
some temporary contentment and joy.
But would I dismiss the possibility of something which I've never personally experienced? That is absurd. That is arrogant -beyond belief-.
I'm bold. But not arrogant.
Let's try again.
Read again. If you cannot imagine, don't try. Move on. Not your business anymore because this isn't about your perception of fact. Never was his
point, ever, at all.
If you can imagine, then either come up with alternate scenarios, or add-on to his current understanding.
Myself, I am not sold (and never was) on the currently accept theories regarding comets.
I have an excellent imagination, but I'm not really capable of coming up with something else right now, and to the best of my knowledge, I've not been
I'm an executor more than I am a visionary, but I sure do love to try to envision at any rate, and sometimes it does me very, very well.
edit on 9/21/2013 by TarzanBeta because: someone = something, and I think there are other errors. high life!