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Cedik
reply to post by greavsie1971
Time is part of the universe, if God created the universe then he created time. Form this we assume (and also told in scriptures but we will leave the religion bit out for now) that God exists outside of time. If there is no time how can he have a beginning?
Ok. So many people are asking about the god thing that I am going to be drawn on it but please remember, this is not the point of the thread. I stated that in the op.
We only have access to the things we experience. From this we can make assumptions about things like the nature of god or where we go when we die. Many people talk about these assumptions as if they are reality yet to the third party, they have no way of telling one from the next. This scares me. The vast majority of religions have elements of this.
I do not think that I am aware enough of god to make a punt at what he/she/it is. I do not see that that is particularly beneficial. I do not rule out the fact that this may be a matrix simulation. I do not rule anything out. You could say that god was a pea cartoon living in a house made from cheese in ron jeremy's anus.
I choose to live my life in the best way I can. Helping those around me and supporting my family. I choose to believe that god is the creator of life and love. I follow this principal. I send out love and try to spread (non cheesy) positivity every day. Our world can be pretty #ty, there are many people trying to make it better and I will continue to do so until the day that I return to wherehence I came. This for me is god.
"Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able?
Then he is not omnipotent.
Is he able, but not willing?
Then he is malevolent.
Is he both able and willing?
Then whence cometh evil?
Is he neither able nor willing?
Then why call him God?"
Cedik
I would love to think that god helps me everyday. In fact I do not rule it out.
I think that the world is ambivalent in it's nature and can easily be a cruel and wicked place. There is no way to get around this.
The world to me is a mass of interrelating elements. Most people are cast adrift in this churning mass with a tiny outboard motor trying to control their progress. To cut a long story short, I dont attribute the ambivalent nature of life on earth to god.
My point is exactly like you said (see above). You're harping on about "life begets life" but apparently you've only just been introduced to abiogenesis. How can you debate something effectively if you haven't the foggiest about the subject.
Seriously man you might as well believe in Darth Vader, that's how ridiculous your argument is. All the time and effort you contribute to this creation fallacy is such a waste.
Cedik
reply to post by peter vlar
So there is no test to prove life, just a series or criteria that must be met.
What about Cyanobacteria that was mentioned in a previous post. That would fail your criteria. Is it still alive?
I believe that humans and all living things have an energy field (maybe called chi or universal energy or whatever). If an amino acid has an energy field, then it is alive.
Cedik
reply to post by iterationzero
I believe that humans and all living things have an energy field (maybe called chi or universal energy or whatever). If an amino acid has an energy field, then it is alive.
Altruism doesn't require faith. Don't you feel like you're peeing into the wind though? If God is the creator of life and love then surely he is also the creator of all the cruelty and suffering in the world. Aren't you undoing all his hard work by helping others he has put good time and effort into hexing?
Unless of course you're right and in this ambivalent world your god does indeed help you personally on a daily basis, which would indicate the help was often small, mundane and largely irrelevant. But chooses not to help all of the millions of people suffering grievously right now throughout the world?
You attribute everything else in existence to this 'god', just not the ambivalence found here on earth, just a little convenient no?
Cedik
It is impossible to create anything in this world/dimension without life itself being ther creator.