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People lie when they say they don't lie. The average person lies several times a day.
I'm a lousy liar. I thought this thread would teach me how to do it better.
I won't say something looks good on someone if it doesn't...but I'm tactful, and make suggestions.
However, sometimes I just choose not to express my opinion, which isn't the same as lying.
If someone asks for your opinion on how they are dressed, and you don't like the way they look, what would your reply to them be?
Ambalatthika-rahulovada Sutta: Instructions to Rahula at Mango Stone (BUDDHIST) on telling lies
At that time Ven. Rahula was staying at the Mango Stone. Then the Blessed One, arising from his seclusion in the late afternoon, went to where Ven. Rahula was staying at the Mango Stone. Ven. Rahula saw him coming from afar and, on seeing him, set out a seat & water for washing the feet. The Blessed One sat down on the seat set out and, having sat down, washed his feet. Ven. Rahula, bowing down to the Blessed One, sat to one side.
I will let the scripture speak for itself.
Your commentary goes quite beyond the quote however. Having studied some buddist teachings and practised differing devotions consistently, I would like to comment. Before I do, it is important to state, I am not a practicioner in any specific lineage nor am I qualified to comment on any buddist scripture by any lineage and what I state is mearly personal interpretation and experience.
According to this teaching - a person who lies will not stop with 'just' lies. There is nothing that person will not do. A liar is more evil than we think. When asking people what is the worst thing a person can do, we don't usually think of telling lies or deceiving others. We usually think of murder or adultery, etc. But according to Buddhist teaching, a person who will lie will stop at nothing and the other evils will come.
This teaching says nothing about other actions at all. It speaks only of lieing and how unskillful and/or unproductive lying is. Period. Nothing else. You are adding something that isn't there (exxageration is a form of lying).
Buddism speak to oneself, one;s own mind, one's own ego - not other peoples.
Those telling lies because of their own agenda can change the situation in favor of their desires. But that new reality is based on falsehoods. The bible says that a house built on sand can not stand and that is what happens when people build on lies. The foundation is weak and will eventually crumble and fall when the lies are exposed. No matter what people think about the bible, that's a good teaching about what happens when you try to build on lies.
Some people tell lies about other people in order to try to discredit them. Sometimes this works for a while. But when the truth comes out, the liar is the one discredited. In my own experience (some of it here at ATS), when people have lied about me and been caught at it, they refuse to apologize. They refuse to admit they told lies even in the face of the truth. The buddhist teaching on liars is true .... there is nothing that a liar won't do. When caught, they end up shaming themselves instead of the person who they tried to ruin.
I have noticed that liars, when caught in lies, act like they haven't lied. They have no shame. They lie to cover being caught in lies. A very recent example - Obama's 'I never set a red line' lie comes to mind. He screwed up; tried to cover with a lie; showed no shame in having other politicians cover his lie with their corresponding lies - even though the entire planet knows he lied, Obama offers no apology or acknowledgement that he lied to cover. I've seen this same kind of behavior with liars in real life. No shame. No regrets. Just more lies.
Some lies endure. And we can see the evil that pours off what has grown from the original lies.
Example - Lies of cult leaders the the past hundreds of years who sucked ignorant people in. Some of those cults survive and the evil that is done in the name of those cults is outrageous. That evil is the fruit of the original lies. (like the teaching said - the lie eventually leads to all evils being committed (paraphrase) )
Example - Lies of politicians and leaders around the world. What evil won't they do to uphold themselves in positions and to further their agendas? ... Putin, Obama, Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, Assad, Lil' Kim of N. Korea, Muslim Brotherhood leadership, Hamas, John Kerry, Hillary Clinton, John McCain ... various religious leaders around the world - be they Christian or Muslim or _____ (fill in the blank), all telling lies about the other in order to keep their flocks (and the income from those flocks) ... etc etc. The fruit of their lies is more and more evil.
Sure .. sometimes people get something wrong but they were sincerely wrong. They admit it when confronted with truth. So that's not a lie. I'm talking about LIES ... agendas ... purposely misleading others.
So perhaps we should take lies more seriously. We should take the lies of Ministers and Imams and Politicians and co-Workers and neighbors and even the lies of posters here at ATS more seriously. All evil is built on the foundation of lies. And instead of saying 'oh, he's just another liar politician' and brush it off because we are jaded (I admit I'm VERY jaded), perhaps we should understand that all the evil in the world has at it's root LIES. We wonder why there is so much evil in the world. It starts with LIES. The evil is built on top of LIES. Lies in politics. Lies in religion. Lies because of jealousy, greed, corruption, agenda .... but the bottom line is LIES.
If we hold people more accountable for lies, perhaps there wouldn't be so much evil in the world today. Kill the lies .. expose them to sunlight ... drive a steak through the heart of a lie ... and the evil will be stopped before it can grow into a huge monster.
"Rahula, it's like a royal elephant: immense, pedigreed, accustomed to battles, its tusks like chariot poles. Having gone into battle, it uses its forefeet & hindfeet, its forequarters & hindquarters, its head & ears & tusks & tail, but keeps protecting its trunk. The elephant trainer notices that and thinks, 'This royal elephant has not given up its life to the king.' But when the royal elephant... having gone into battle, uses its forefeet & hindfeet, its forequarters & hindquarters, its head & ears & tusks & tail & his trunk, the trainer notices that and thinks, 'This royal elephant has given up its life to the king. There is nothing it will not do.'