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The whole basis for the RCC, historically, has been exclusionary, NOT inclusive. Those who submit, get included. Those who do not? Well.... Suntan lotion and ice cubes. Bring lots of both to the next life. lol...
So again, while I might agree with the sentiment (and I cannot express how SICK I am of being told I'm going to Hell as a Wiccan because I don't take Christianity as my life Faith), I don't necessarily want to see one of the single largest Faiths in the world today fall apart, either. Especially when, outside the developed world? The RCC values and lifestyle guide people at 80% rates or higher among general populations. If that falters or fails...what replaces it for values to those people?
reply to post by seagull
The RCC values and lifestyle guide people at 80% rates or higher among general populations. If that falters or fails...what replaces it for values to those people?
"In society, there are people such as witch doctors who look for body parts; people will kill albinos to make magic," says Isaac Timothy, an albino activist in the gold-mining town of Geita, where belief in witchcraft is widespread.
"When you bring [a witch doctor] a body part, such as an arm, a leg or a finger, the witch doctor will make a potion with it," Timothy says. "A miner will pour it in the ground where he wants to find minerals or a fisherman will pour it in his canoe."
However to me, this sounds like a way to get Catholics to be more accepting of others and become more enlightened in their spirit bones but you see it as a destructive force.
37 In the historical conditions in which he finds himself, however, man experiences many difficulties in coming to know God by the light of reason alone:
Though human reason is, strictly speaking, truly capable by its own natural power and light of attaining to a true and certain knowledge of the one personal God, who watches over and controls the world by his providence, and of the natural law written in our hearts by the Creator; yet there are many obstacles which prevent reason from the effective and fruitful use of this inborn faculty. For the truths that concern the relations between God and man wholly transcend the visible order of things, and, if they are translated into human action and influence it, they call for self-surrender and abnegation. the human mind, in its turn, is hampered in the attaining of such truths, not only by the impact of the senses and the imagination, but also by disordered appetites which are the consequences of original sin. So it happens that men in such matters easily persuade themselves that what they would not like to be true is false or at least doubtful.
Okay, so this pope, who according to some lines of thought might be the last pope, comes out and acknowledges a new age idea. God is all forgiving. Seeking god is a inner desire and not one to be judged by mans cute symbolism and customs, in which one must repent to that god and feel guilty for living life as a sinner. If this story is true, it is the beginning of the destruction of man's establishment of church. Church is inside your heart. It is your relationship with god. This popes comments are right on the money. No matter if you know the name of god, as churches will tell you, if you have a personal relationship with god that is all that matters.
Bravo to the Pope for this comment and I shall watch for more revelations to transpire.
I know thy works, that thou art neither cold nor hot: I would thou wert cold or hot. So then because thou art lukewarm, and neither cold nor hot, I will spue thee out of my mouth.
Revelation 3: 15-16
I obviously didn't choose the Church as my personal faith and as to 'what kind' of Wiccan I am? I'm the kind that isn't going to engage in a long adversarial discussion about my own personal Faith.
"Not all Christians believe...." Well, it's an odd thing, but the Cafeteria style 'I'll take some of that, but none of this other thing' approach to Scripture and the teachings from it seem so arbitrary and convenient to whatever each person deems comfy to accept? It's thrown me for taking what many call Christianity seriously at all.
reply to post by Cuervo
Those are some good points, and oddly, I'd say they support the role of the RCC where it's already established and doing good work. Christianity has, in some places, been the inspiration for as much evil as any other single religion to point to..and I mean modern day, like you're talking about as well.
On the other hand, as Christians in some areas of Africa turn downright feral with how they treat other people? It's no less sickening to see a crucifix literally used to impale someone, groin to sternum ...and obviously..while they were alive to feel it being done. Religion certainly serves as a nice stand in to justify and make right the evil men do unto each other.
Wouldn't that go to support seeing the Faiths (RCC or others...doesn't matter in this context) which are a calming or positive influence, continue to be strong? It's that alternative without structure and sense of dire consequence to evil...or even the reward for committing it (Martyrdom anyone?) which I think poses the far greater threat?
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