Thanks U.K. For (temporarily) Averting WW3

DirtyD
reply to post by greyhat

 

Not sure I follow what you mean here, but I'd argue that the petro dollar is more than a carrot on a stick, our position in the global economy depends upon it. Regime change occurs when oil producing nations try to sell their goods for something other than USD.

Thats the carrot stick. Regime change ist useless. Imagine a "free democratic Iraq" decides to trade oil for a different currency. Next regime change? Would that work?

greyhat

DirtyD
reply to post by greyhat

 

Not sure I follow what you mean here, but I'd argue that the petro dollar is more than a carrot on a stick, our position in the global economy depends upon it. Regime change occurs when oil producing nations try to sell their goods for something other than USD.

Thats the carrot stick. Regime change ist useless. Imagine a "free democratic Iraq" decides to trade oil for a different currency. Next regime change? Would that work?

That is what happened in Iraq (though there was nothing free and democratic about that country), Saddam decided to go off the petro dollar and sell his oil for Euros, which resulted in an invasion followed by his execution. Same goes for Gaddafi, only he wanted to trade for gold.

If the leader of a country doesn't abide by the rules, they are taken out. I recommend reading "Confessions of an Economic Hit Man" by John Perkins, he does a better job of explaining the process than I ever could.

DirtyD
reply to post by SexNinja

 

Wow, you really wrote a thread thanking GW, even going so far as to call him a humanitarian. I wonder how the people of Fallujah would feel about that?

Fallujah, Iraq - While the US military has formally withdrawn from Iraq, doctors and residents of Fallujah are blaming weapons like depleted uranium and white phosphorous used during two devastating US attacks on Fallujah in 2004 for what are being described as "catastrophic" levels of birth defects and abnormalities.

Dr Samira Alani, a paediatric specialist at Fallujah General Hospital, has taken a personal interest in investigating an explosion of congenital abnormalities that have mushroomed in the wake of the US sieges since 2005.

"We have all kinds of defects now, ranging from congenital heart disease to severe physical abnormalities, both in numbers you cannot imagine," Alani told Al Jazeera at her office in the hospital, while showing countless photos of shocking birth defects.

As of December 21, Alani, who has worked at the hospital since 1997, told Al Jazeera she had personally logged 677 cases of birth defects since October 2009. Just eight days later when Al Jazeera visited the city on December 29, that number had already risen to 699.

"There are not even medical terms to describe some of these conditions because we've never seen them until now," she said. "So when I describe it all I can do is describe the physical defects, but I'm unable to provide a medical term."

Source

What a humanitarian.

Let's say in upsidedown land that the official 9/11 story isn't a pack of lies, that would mean your hero presided over the greatest security lapse in American history since Pearl Harbor. The FBI knew about the hijackers, knew they were in flight training, knew they were planning an attack, took the evidence to the White House and were ignored. And that's just the tip of the iceberg.

The 9/11 Commission was created only after immense public pressure for a thorough investigation, which never happened as the Commissioners themselves admitted they were lied to, and that there was an obvious attempt to cover up what really happened. Also, both GW and Cheney refused to testify under oath, no records were allowed to be kept of the hearing, and both he and Cheney had to appear together. Sounds to me like they had something to hide, whether it was advanced knowledge or just plain ineptitude on their part.

Also, Iraq had nothing to do with WMD's, neither does Syria. It's all about the petro dollar, Saddam decided he wanted to sell his oil for Euros, so he had to go. Washington certainly didn't considered him a brutal dictator when he was gassing Kurds in his own country with chemical weapons during the Iran/Iraq war. Gaddafi went down for the same reason, he had the bright idea to sell his oil for gold, didn't work out so well for him.

You have a lot to learn, I'm guessing you're young, and probably weren't even voting age when Bush was around. I recommend you re-read through your own thread and do some research on some of the topics that were being discussed there, especially when it comes to the atrocities committed in Iraq, the real reasons for the Afghan war (TAPI, Opium & Lithium), 9/11 (the official story is just as damning to Bush as the conspiracy theories), and TARP.

I was about to end this screed with a few Kudos to Bush for the one or two things he did do right, but then I remembered the torture. You cannot, CANNOT call GW a humanitarian when he authorized the use of torture against detainees. Abu Ghraib, Gitmo, John Yoo saying there's no treaty against crushing the testicles of a person's child in order to extract information. It's all coming back now, what a sick, sick administration Bush led, for you to call him a humanitarian makes me want to puke. I'm sorry I even wasted time on you.

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You challenged me to name one good thing Bush did and I accepted and presented you with President's Emergency Plan for AIDS Relief which has saved millions of lives across Africa and just as I predicted you have no response
Does your silence on this subject mean you are saying this is not true?
en.m.wikipedia.org...'s_Emergency_Plan_for_AIDS_Relief

So I presented you with a very ral fact and instead of acknowledging that fact. You present me with a bunch of opinions and wild claims . That have no proof to back them up as a basis for you to ignore the fact that this man saves millions of lives. UPSIDE DOWN BACKWARDS WORLD. Keep believing fairytales and lies from mass murdering dictators and
laiming I have a lot to learn

reply to post by SexNinja


You ignore facts by cherry picking ONE good deed to paint the image of a president who by all other accounts was utterly reprehensible, and nothing short of a war criminal.

I have made no wild claims, and my opinions on Bush are based on fact and experience of living through that nightmare of a presidency, but I suppose none of that matters to a person like you who wears their sphincter as a necklace.

DirtyD
reply to post by SexNinja

 

You ignore facts by cherry picking ONE good deed to paint the image of a president who by all other accounts was utterly reprehensible, and nothing short of a war criminal.

You issued me the challenge to name one good thing Bush did. So I did. I didn't cherry pick anything there are many more great things. The fact that you are willing to call saving millions of lives cherry picking is laughable.

I have made no wild claims, and my opinions on Bush are based on fact and experience of living through that nightmare of a presidency, but I suppose none of that matters to a person like you who wears their sphincter as a necklace.

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I did what you asked me to do and you resort to name calling how scholarly.

DirtyD
Saddam decided to go off the petro dollar and sell his oil for Euros, which resulted in an invasion followed by his execution. Same goes for Gaddafi, only he wanted to trade for gold.

If the leader of a country doesn't abide by the rules, they are taken out. I recommend reading "Confessions of an Economic Hit Man" by John Perkins, he does a better job of explaining the process than I ever could.

But this does not fit Syria and Iran. Syria and petrodollar? And Iran trades petroproducts in different currencies...

Stop believing in carrots, start thinking.

Start here: www.prnewswire.com...