posted on Sep, 11 2013 @ 11:53 AM
I've been a member who generally leans toward Israel as much as others lean the other way and for a variety of reasons. Some personal, some religious
and some, just how I see logic sitting to dictate my position.
That's all changed now and I'm curious what people's thoughts are? I know the opinions of those who already hate Israel so much it vibrates. I'm
curious about those who have been neutral or supportive to this point.
So what, precisely has changed? Well... Everything as I see it and I don't know how deliberate this may have been by forethought but the end result
is interesting to consider that way, IMO.
Israel and their neighbors last had a good rousing war in the 70's. This, in part, led to the Camp David meetings and accords which came from it.
Additional agreements followed, but in the long term, at least 3 things came to be true from all that.
#1. Israel and Egypt would be funded by Aid at rough parity for their effective power in relation to each other. Neither would become outright
superior, yet neither would fall to be vulnerable, either. This worked. THIS balance was destroyed with Mursi coming to power but MAY be restored with
the switch back to moderate rule in Egypt. Time will tell.
#2. The nations around Israel were expected and pressured to at least acknowledge they have a right to exist and live. Most have done this.
Some....have not. Included among these hold outs is the group currently ruling Gaza...whose very mission charter spells out the removal of Israel by
force and to the last person (in slightly different wording, as one might imagine..but the meaning is clear enough for anyone...and not generally
disputed.) THIS issue is an ongoing one and 30+ years of headaches. IT IS NOT the main issue.
#3. Israel, having already started development in partnership with the (then) regime of South Africa, was well into Nuclear development as the
unofficial history shows. By the 80's, it's believed, they had their deterrence...but from what exactly? Conventional attack brings Nuclear
response? I don't THINK so...for how the world would insure they didn't live free, if at all, to enjoy that end result. Syria....was the issue and
nation to deter....and the one that gave Israel pause.
Israel spent the 80's, 90's and 00's making Nuclear Weapons out of the Dimona power station and the labs beneath it. Syria spent the same decades
making Chemical weapons. They balanced each other well enough for the world to ignore the fact they BOTH represented some of the last "rogue"
nations not to be signed parties to the Chemical and Nuclear treaties.
The world has tolerated Israel's nukes, I believe, because any argument against them brought fingers pointing North and awkward silence. SOMEONE had
to blink or be MADE to blink first. Whatever brought this around to happening? Assad was the man to blink ....and now there is a problem, isn't
Syria is in the process, or soon will be, of surrendering it's weapons to Russian control.
Israel still has between 80 and 120 nuclear warheads with Jerhico missiles to deliver them on.
What now?? IF......this works with Syria and IF.....they unilaterally disarm to Russia and the World? Israel is standing naked with no cover nearby.
They remain the sole nation in the area to be "rogue" with known WMD ...and no nation left to claim they are needed there to deter from? Iran?
Okay.... If arming up with nukes is valid by speculation alone, the whole region has a green light ...and honestly, by Israel at this stage, in what
may be a self fulfilling prophecy they fear.
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So..ATS, what say you all on how this ought to go? Again...*IF* Assad disarms as it appears he will? Should..and CAN..the world then put REAL pressure
(perhaps for the first time) on Israel to declare and come under international norms for accounting with their Nukes?
I believe this has come to a point now where it may very well be a major issue and in the near future. The calls for it may start soon....has anyone
else considered this?