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It is a nice propaganda ploy, but the claim that the Syrian rebels are Al Queda has no basis in fact. If you have any evidence to back said claim,
please present it.
Ask and ye shall receive...
First let me start by saying, today it much more difficult to find the original articles that clearly stated fighters in Syria were the fighters who
were used in Libya, and the fighters in Libya were the same people who fought against US troops in Iraq and Afghanistan. Due to the way things have
progressed in Syria, finding those articles are very challenging. I would suggest going back into the ATS archives for yourself, as it has been linked
many times on these boards. That being said, there is still plenty of info out there....
We can start with this one, Why Al Qaeda turned on the FSA
Now ask yourself, if Al Qaeda was not fighting alongside the rebels, just how could they now "turn" on them? This article is from September 20, 2013.
Just 3 days ago. The conflict in Syria has been ongoing for how long now? 2 years? So that would be 2 years worth of support that has been going to
Now check out this recent article explaining how an
Army Vet was charged
terrorist while in Syria. This article openly admits there are Al Qaeda factions fighting as rebels. It is the very first line in the article.
An Army veteran accused of fighting alongside an al-Qaida-affiliated group of Syrian rebels has been released from jail following a secret plea
And yes, he was charged, cut a plea deal, and has been released with time served. Think about that for one second... time served for aiding terrorist
who we have been fighting for over a decade. A group that we have been told could still attack us at any given moment.
Here is a recent article detailing how
Free Syrian Army Brigades Join
And let me end this portion of "evidence" with this article.
"Free Syrian Army” is Al
These would be the people the U.S. should back, if people weren't so completely programmed by the propaganda of the right.
And in this statement you highlight the problem with backing anyone at all. We don't know who the rebels actually are. Who have no idea who is on
whoms side. Once those arms go out, they are gone and history has shown us that they end up in the hands of those who we later have to go and attack.
This whole idea of backing our current allies, eventually proves to be an entity which later turns on us and we have to attack. Much like how the US
backed Iraq in the 80's. Only to turn around a decade or so later, and they are now an enemy. The fact is the Middle East is a powder keg and our
presence, support, and aid is not helping in any way. As a matter of fact, our actions make it worse as evidenced by this article from the
Institute for the Study of War
which explains the resurgence of AQ in Iraq,
and they happen to be fighters spilling over from Syria, and this article also details AQ's operations inside Syria.
Doesn't it bother you that your hatred of Obama is actually aiding Al Queda, those other fighters coming from Iraq who oppose the U.S. and are
the enemies of the U.S.?
If it doesn't, then it should.
Now here is something I take issue with. Not only because you are wrong, as I will show you how AQ fighters in Syria are actually spilling over into
Iraq and not from Iraq into Syria as you claim, but very simply for your pathetic and sad attempt to make this about my so called "hatred for Obama".
It is pitiful to even make this about Left/Right politics. For starters, it wouldn't matter if Mitt Romney was elected as he would be doing the same
damn thing Obama is doing. All of our establishment Politicians have expressed support for the rebels. You can feel free to google Mitt Romney's
response for yourself and find articles from the Boston Globe to The Guardian to Business Insider. Mitt Romney is in favor of arming the rebels. So
obviously if my position is to NOT arm the rebels, and both parties agree to arm the rebels, by default my issue has nothing to do with my so called
"hatred for Obama" or any "liberal agenda" or any other silly left vs right argument you can think up.
My issue lies with US Foreign Policy, which has been much the same for the last 14 years. Arguably it has been the same for closer to AT LEAST the
last 40 years but I digress as that is a completely different debate for another thread. US Foreign Policy has very little to do with Democrats and
Republicans, Liberals or Conservatives. So attempting to distract from any point I make by using some lame blanket statement about my "hatred for
Obama" to dismiss my opinion is disingenuous at best.
To get the meat and potatoes of your point, this article from The NY Times in 2012 points out that those AQ factions currently operating in Syria are
now bleeding over into Iraq (and not vice versa as you claim).
Al Qaeda Taking
Deadly New Role in Syria’s Conflict
Iraqi officials said the extremists operating in Syria are in many cases the very same militants striking across their country. “We are 100
percent sure from security coordination with Syrian authorities that the wanted names that we have are the same wanted names that the Syrian
authorities have, especially within the last three months,” Izzat al-Shahbandar — a close aide to the Iraqi prime minister, Nuri Kamal al-Maliki
— said in an interview on Tuesday. “Al Qaeda that is operating in Iraq is the same as that which is operating in Syria,” he said.
I strongly suggest reading this entire article beginning to end. By the time you are finished, ask yourself again who the rebels are. If you can
honestly say you know 100% that any arms and support given to the rebels will in no way aid our enemies, you are either being willfully ignorant or
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