"September 11 - The New Pearl Harbor" It's not rocket science-COMMON SENSE!! VS DENIAL!!

After watching this documentary for 5 hours i have to say they nailed it i dont think there's much to debunk anymore.I always believed something was fishy since i saw the towers collapse on television but this just confirmed it for me.Thanks for sharing this great video and your topic S&F for you sir

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For you to suggest otherwise insistently just leads me to believe you are either a govt shill or just not very bright...

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You are absolutely correct and I didn't insult him at all....he has done nothing to contribute anything of value and continues to insist facts not in evidence exist, when in fact I do not need you to pop your nose into this and tell me protocol, this was a very important thread to get out as far as I am concerned and the video's were worth every second....did you bother to watch them? There is just only so much lack of common sense I can take before i have to point the lack there of...if I lost my account because of that comment, then so be it....I will at least have put him in his place....reasoning doesn't always work...personally I think I nailed it.

reply to post by matafuchs


gravity........Hahahahahaha omg not even possible. Have you bothered to understand the construction process....gravity only occurred after the implosions....gravity did not BLOW these buildings to smithereens.

reply to post by SunnyDee


I work with engineers every day, both in Europe and the USA. Seems to me that working with hundreds of engineers around the world is a lot more in touch than having a husband that is an engineer. Sounds to me that you are out of touch, and rely on second hand information.

For your info, last time the idea of an inside job came up when I was in the USA, it was being laughed at. But in general, the issue does not even exist. I is only sometimes ridiculed on days like 11 September.

reply to post by soulpowertothendegree


I always puzzles me that when asked for evidence people link to biased and opinionated documentaries on YouTube.

Evidence is for instance a photo of a detonation device. Or a scientific paper proving gravity could not have been enough.

This video series is a must watch for everyone. Even if you think you've seen it all pertaining to 9/11, watch it. There are plenty of documentaries made to get people thinking about the possibility that things don't add up in the OS. This 3 part series does a fine job of raising questions that were never answered by the 9/11 commission report.

Thanks OP.

As usual with all 9/11 threads on ATS, reading through the ensuing debate becomes pointless, as it eventually turns into bickering and nitpicking.

sticky
This video series is a must watch for everyone. Even if you think you've seen it all pertaining to 9/11, watch it. There are plenty of documentaries made to get people thinking about the possibility that things don't add up in the OS. This 3 part series does a fine job of raising questions that were never answered by the 9/11 commission report.

Thanks OP.

As usual with all 9/11 threads on ATS, reading through the ensuing debate becomes pointless, as it eventually turns into bickering and nitpicking.

I totaly agree i also noticed its one of the few documentaries that also looks at the answers given by debunkers.Which is a good base to start with why the original story doesnt add up.

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reply to post by soulpowertothendegree

 

I always puzzles me that when asked for evidence people link to biased and opinionated documentaries on YouTube.

Evidence is for instance a photo of a detonation device. Or a scientific paper proving gravity could not have been enough.

As always you want evidence follow the money. No sense in trying to argue the "science" in the event obviously because somehow "scientists" on both sides can't "reconcile". Funny same could be said with Global Warming.

So evidence:

Thomas Kean, the man chosen by President Bush to lead the 9/11 commission also has business ties with bin Mahfouz and Al-Amoudi. Thomas Kean is a director (and shareholder) of Amerada Hess Corporation --Hess-Delta (joint venture). Delta Oil of Saudi Arabia owned by the bin Mahfouz and Al-Amoudi clans.

Delta-Hess "was established in 1998 for the development and exploration of oil fields in the Caspian region...In Azerbaijan Delta Hess is involved in the Azeri-Chirag-Gunashli PSA (2.72%) and the Garabaghli-Kursangi PSA (20%). It is also an equity holder in the Baku-Tbilisi-Ceyhan (BTC) oil pipeline": Delta- Hess, which... is registered in the Cayman Islands says the terms of the alliance--are subject to confidentiality clauses. 'There's no reason why this should be public information,' a Hess spokesman says." (Energy Compass, 15 Nov. 2002)

Interesting little tid bit here:

Thomas Kean is also a member of the Council on Foreign Relations, together with another prominent member of the board of directors of Amerada Hess, former Secretary of the Treasury Nicholas Brady: Delta Oil Ltd. of Saudi Arabia --which is a partner in the Hess-Delta Alliance--is in part controlled by Khalid bin Mafhouz, Osama's brother in law

Osama's brother in law

Forgot link:

www.heartson.com...

reply to post by soulpowertothendegree

Are you still suggesting any of your arguments have merit

I think the very fact that you continue to avoid issues and debate against me as a person rather then the points i am raising says more about the merit of your argument that it does my own as your previous entire comment goes to prove. You avoid all of the issues i have raised and just attack me personally, I am not bothered or offended by this but it does demonstrate the weaknesses in your argument (or total lack of any argument)

who are you the writer of NIST report?

Who i am is not important only what i have to say is the issue here, but no, i did not write the NIST report.

Wow, talk about denial

Pot.... kettle.... back....

who cares if the building tilted....buildings do not fall perfectly straight down and it hardly matters about the amount of time involved in seconds much less minutes....buildings do not fall the way these did without demolition assistance...PERIOD

Truthers just love to say things like WTC-7 fell at free fall, it fell symmetrically, it fell into its own footprint and so on and then use these statements to some how prove that it was a controlled demolition. So yes me pointing out the facts such as it taking way longer than free fall, did not collapse symmetrically and did not fall into its own footprint are very important.

As are other details, like the error you made about the number of hijackers or the member getting the time WTC-7 collapsed these are also important details as is pointing out the tilt of the building as it fell. For you to refute the offical narrative of events with out even evidently having a grasp of the details of that narrative is preposterous.

For you to suggest otherwise insistently just leads me to believe you are either a govt shill or just not very bright

so I am a government shill, thats what your saying, you cant provide a concise and evidence based counter argument so that must mean that I am a shill, I must be paid by the government to post on ATS, that is what you now believe?

.did you bother to watch the video's? I bet not

Then you have lost the bet.

feel free to share with me a video that supports your claim that the wtc 7 fell because of structural damage due to pieces of 1 or 2 falling on it

Again i have provided you with a link to my own research into 9/11 that has all of this information contained with in it in detail.

show me a video of any building that was on fire for 1hr and just pancaked, much less 2 within minutes of each other....the odds are astronomical...then a 3rd building...

This is what I can the "fallacy argument" because its based on poor reasoning.

So how about i do you a deal, you show me a video of another 767-222 flying into a carbon copy of one of the towers at the exact same point of impact and the same fuel load and so on and not collapsing then I will admit you might have a point.

Truthers just love to do this, make comparisons, despite no aircraft disasters every really being the exact same and no two building disasters ever being the exact same. There are just so many variables you cant reasonably compare say a burning 62 story sky scraper in LA caused by a electrical fault in 1988 with a 110 story building that had a 767 slam into it in Manhattan on 9/11/2001. To try to make such a comparison is a fallacy because you are ignoring the huge number of variables and differences between the two incidents.

come on...get your head out of your.....

Really?

how about you take some of your own advice

So far other than attacking me personally and making pointless arguments and factual errors you have done nothing to show that your argument has any merit.

Thomas Kean is also a member of the Council on Foreign Relations, together with another prominent member of the board of directors of Amerada Hess, former Secretary of the Treasury Nicholas Brady: Delta Oil Ltd. of Saudi Arabia --which is a partner in the Hess-Delta Alliance--is in part controlled by Khalid bin Mafhouz, Osama's brother in law

My gosh! What in the land of Goshen does that have to do with anything. OBL had over 40 brothers in law. most were very wealthy and in the oil business.

I have personal experience with the actual events and I have personal knowledge of the truth, but it is not for me to share in this venue....only that I KNOW they lied about this entire fiasco.

Been going to a lot of movies lately? Obviously watching much too much television. So, you have the secret-all by yourself-of this massive lie?

However you can't share it because..........la cosa nostra has warned you to 'keep quiet' Are you afraid that Boris and Natasha will get to you before Moose and Squirrel can save the day.

All you are doing is making the entire 'truther' movement look like spoiled children.

I remember now. Glenn Ford in G-Men was being chased by evil spies because he had an envelope that had 'the truth' on it.

sticky
There are plenty of documentaries made to get people thinking about the possibility that things don't add up in the OS.

Yes, this is typical. There are not only (countless) so called "documentaries" but also user posts or websites where someone wants "to get people thinking (...)" - there is only a problem:

The COMMON PEOPLE have no qualifications or remote knowledge which is necessary to either validate or invalidate any such claims.

A poster wants to get "people to think..." whether the sequence of events, or the images or the impact craters or the distribution of debris....or the way how a video appears.... SEEMS 'CORRECT' and is "urging" them to think.

98% of people and the VAST majority of those people are

* NO specialists in building destruction and demolitions - do not HAVE the ability to "think over" a presented sequence of events to them (say, impact of a plane) and "evaluate" whether it's "right" or "not"..since the KNOWLEDGE does not exist.

This is the same crap, over and over and over like attempting to convince the gullible, ignorant or uneducated....or simply those who don't have knowledge in a certain discipline...in very much the same way as someone claims about having seen an UFO while it turns out the person has not the slightest knowledge about astronomy, meteorology or is no specialist in aircraft and CANNOT EVEN REMOTELY assertain size, distance, speed etc, about a dot/craft in the sky due to his/hers lack of knowledge....or he is convinced that Sirius is an UFO since it "sparkles" in the Sky which is entirely new to THAT person.

In other words, you can "present" whatever documentary, movie or whatever to the common "people" and "get them thinking"...because "people" have a tendency to think an awful lot of stuff, 90% of it is irrational and emotionally motivated anyway. Why don't you present your evidence to real specialists which can validate claims or discount them, as opposed to the "common people"? Why is so called "convincing evidence", whether it is UFOs or the latest 911 theory NOT presented to the scientific community...but rather on fringe forums like here or on Youtube? Because anywhere else their "evidence" would be immediately exposed as the BS it is.

reply to post by spooky24


Well you would have to read my post prior about Saudi involvement. Then also research on your own (not just say you did) about the the Saudi money going to San Diego to pay for trianing for the hijackers:

The money was transferred to the bank account of Omar Al Bayoumi, a student in San Diego, in early 2000, just before alleged hijackers Khalid Almidhar and Nawaf Alhazmi arrived in Los Angeles, FBI sources told Newsweek.

The FBI said Almidhar and Alhazmi later participated in the hijacking of American Flight 77, which crashed into the Pentagon on September 11, 2001.

Al Bayoumi befriended the two men, hosted a welcome party in San Diego and helped secure an apartment for them, according to Newsweek.

All of this is just scratching the surface.....

When Al Bayoumi left the United States in July 2001, monthly payments of 3,500 dollars were sent to the account of another student, Osama Basnan, who the magazine describes as a close associate of Al Bayoumi and a known al-Qaeda sympathizer.

rense.com...

Copyright © 2002 AFP.

soulpowertothendegree
reply to post by matafuchs

 

gravity........Hahahahahaha omg not even possible. Have you bothered to understand the construction process....gravity only occurred after the implosions....gravity did not BLOW these buildings to smithereens.

First, since you are an expert in demolitions, you understand that they use GRAVITY to bring them down, right and not explosions. The explosions are initiating events and then the 'physics' of gravity takes over.

Second, there were no implosions. I am also well aware of the construction of the towers. This is why I asked you to name just a few others made in the same way so you would see how unique they were. The construction process? What does that have to do with the argument? You are sounding more and more uneducated about the subject you created your OP about. When you make claims you have to have something to back it up, not simply laugh. That is what people do when they are nervous and have nothing else to say. It is usually then followed by an insult.

Third, nothing was 'blown to smithereens'. Nothing. During the collapse, the towers were torn apart by the upper floors hitting the lower floors and there not being enough there to sustain the weight if the upper portions of the structure. It might have looked that way but the lower floors were crushed. There were also many stories of the tower still standing when the event was done but you probably do not want to discuss that either because then they would not be in their own footprint.

The Saudi argument, yes, there are Saudis who are still pissed about GW1 and his Gulf War. That is why AQ and OBL were formed. They were created to protect and the SA government choose the US over the muhjadeen that had fought the Soviets in Afghanistan. READ YOUR HISTORY. There are bad people all over in every country...like the OK City bombing. Since he did that does it make all US citizens terrorists?

So, how about you stop laughing and try to answer some questions?

PS - I bet 1000 dollars your next step is to bring up NIST??? where do you guys download these scripts?

reply to post by NoRulesAllowed


Worked in electrical "construction" for 29 years. I have the knowledge. Does the term" Thru the path of most resistance" mean anything to you? Obviously it does not. The math of that day , stands with the evidence. Numbers do not lie, numbers do not have an agenda. Simply put...do the math and see if the Government version shines thru. I dont need a PHD to understand the math, there's alot more educated professionals who have put their Names, careers, and reputations on the line. I will digress to the pros, the engineers, mathmaticians. Can you clap your hands 11 times in one second? I did'nt think so. Attack the message not the messenger. One anomoly of that day, is enough. We have more than one in more than one place. Which screams out loud " Look At this. it's not right". I want argue with the folks that buy the OS. You all choose to ignore the obvious. And so you know. From 88 to 94 I lived and worked in NY. I spent about three months pulling compuer cables all over the South Tower in 92, Got a real inside look at the building, no way it could have collapsed in 9.8 seconds at the rate of freefall, at 11 floors a second, thru the path of most resistance.No way.

NoRulesAllowed Because anywhere else their "evidence" would be immediately dismissed by ridicule without any actual investigative interpretation whatsoever.

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fixed that last sentence for you.

reply to post by openyourmind1262


What math exactly are you talking about? Can you share it? What does clapping your hands have to do with collapsing buildings?

Can you clap your hands 11 times in one second? I did'nt think so. Attack the message not the messenger. One anomoly of that day, is enough.

reply to post by openyourmind1262


What does this mean exactly? I have seen it a few times now and it makes, well, no sense to the argument. I mean, if you want to play that game, a hummingbird's wings flap up to 80 times per second so if the argument is that nothing can move that fast, well, you are incorrect. That is as silly as thinking gravity had nothing to do with the collapse as others in this thread have stated.

reply to post by OtherSideOfTheCoin



Hey Just a theory you say truthers say that the building fell symmetrical.

What if I say the building nearly fell symmetrical. also consider the fact that other buildings falling played a part in the building not falling symmetrical at all.

If these building were in fact demo'd, how many demolition crews knock 3 tall buildings over in a day in close proximity of one and other.
How would it be possible to make a building fall symmetrical, when debris from other falling buildings have hit this building.

My guess why it didn't fall symmetrical, but it nearly fell symmetrical is because the bombs were planted where they where meant for it fall symmetrical but the damage to structure caused it not fall symmetrical. its not like they could of went in there after the towers fell and setup a structure plan on where to place these explosives and not to. They had to pull it as is, no going back now..

Makes sense don't it and sounds logical.

openyourmind1262
reply to post by NoRulesAllowed

 

Worked in electrical "construction" for 29 years. I have the knowledge. Does the term" Thru the path of most resistance" mean anything to you? Obviously it does not. The math of that day , stands with the evidence. Numbers do not lie, numbers do not have an agenda. Simply put...do the math and see if the Government version shines thru. I dont need a PHD to understand the math, there's alot more educated professionals who have put their Names, careers, and reputations on the line. I will digress to the pros, the engineers, mathmaticians. Can you clap your hands 11 times in one second? I did'nt think so. Attack the message not the messenger. One anomoly of that day, is enough. We have more than one in more than one place. Which screams out loud " Look At this. it's not right". I want argue with the folks that buy the OS. You all choose to ignore the obvious. And so you know. From 88 to 94 I lived and worked in NY. I spent about three months pulling compuer cables all over the South Tower in 92, Got a real inside look at the building, no way it could have collapsed in 9.8 seconds at the rate of freefall, at 11 floors a second, thru the path of most resistance.No way.

you will have a interesting perspective on the interior of the building then the amount of asbestos that was in that building did you do any drilling etc when you were there did you see the interior of the walls and beams and fireproofing when you were in the building . i have done a bit of fireproofing in my day even done a experiment with a burning torch on it and not a mark after 30 minutes of intense heat . i hear the buildings were under going work before the attack a lot of nightshift went on as you will know you can make a lot of noise when no one is there even swap a bomb sniffing dog and as you will know everyone looks the same in a vizabilaty vest and a hard hat but one thig is the same the world over you sparkies never clean up after yourselves always us poor painters