Married, Female 8 Years Dies in First Night

reply to post by yourmaker


this is where you rationally judge people with extreme prejudice that Kalashnikov can dispatch. that guy should be shot in the eye

reply to post by cheesy


Some can attempt to hide their views behind elder cultural related behaviors (observed) and ACT as if they are not AWARE but they know for how could they not?

May her soul Rest in Peace and may the many others stuck physically under this form of behavior be found by the LIGHT of GOD to guide them into better outcomes.
The ignorance excuse detected is sexual control/desire as if a fear exist in interacting with some of their own ages...

rockoperawriter
reply to post by Krazysh0t

 

yeah just train soldiers like they did in wwII then a war there with snipers and a tank or two could be won in about a year or three

War? I'm confused here. Why are you bringing up war? I was only commenting on the previous posters' off the cuff remark about nuking Yemen because they don't have the same societal customs as we do (which one can argue are also unhealthy). The poster's remark was insensitive and showed his complete callous attitude towards nuclear weapons and the destruction that even one brings. To suggest the use of nuclear weapons against a populous shows a gross misunderstanding of what happens when they go off.

While Yemen's practices are wrong in my views, I do not want to go around killing even one of them for holding these views.

reply to post by Krazysh0t


sorry got mad there this sorta thing just really burns my toast

The wests culture deems 2.1 children as ideal. Many adults have no children at all, presumably their take on life is to have as good a time for yourself as possible and then die .... end. I think thats a selfish outlook, but it's a common option.

When I was at university a few years ago doing a degree in Nursing we had a discussion about teenage sex. As nurses they wanted us to know how bad teenage sex was for girls, and how if they ended up pregnant their life would be all but over.

The official line to be given to young women is not to have children until after they have had a good education and started a career. This what a lot of them do and not until they are nearly 30 do they start thinking of fitting kids into their busy schedule. Of course they can't do it without giving up the good job, so instead they are forced to hand their kids over to nannies and child minders who bring their kids up. A lot of women decide not to have kids at all preferring instead to spend their money on themselves. Not till later in life do the discover what is missing from their boring lives.

Personally I don't agree with this mental and psychological torture of young women, not to mention all the other cultural pressures put on them by the west.

Many of the, what we would call old fashioned ideas about families and society are still held by muslim culture and I for one lament their passing here.

I don't think the west is in any position to criticise other cultures.

reply to post by bigyin


I'm not sure what you're getting at here.

Are you saying we should have more children, so that we can go back to valuing them less?

chloe4412
This part of the world could surely use some Anatomy/Physiology and Child Psychology courses. Education would be very helpful, especially about the human body. But, we know that isn't going to happen. Pedophiles, en masse, well, Mary mother to Jesus, was 15 when the holy spirit came onto her *giggles* so, I guess that means God approves of this.

Just sick.

Plenty of 15 year olds in our 'Western' culture have sex. Do I approve? No, but it does happen. 15 and 8 are not the same AND most of the 15 year olds here are not having sex with 40 year olds I'm guessing. Stop comparing this with the Bible. I dare say God disapproves of a man raping an 8 year old.

reply to post by bigyin

I don't think the west is in any position to criticise other cultures.

I think the west and everyone else is in the position and has the obligation to stop 8 year old girls from being raped..

What I haven't seen in 3 pages of replies to this thread and what I probably won't see, is a response from the dozen or so Koran/Islam/Muslim apologist members on ATS. That is all that needs to be said.

reply to post by Eidolon23


No, I'm saying that different cultures have different ways of doing things.

I don't think one culture should be criticising another culture.

There are billions of Muslims they can figure out what they want to allow without us sticking our noses in.

Carreau
What I haven't seen in 3 pages of replies to this thread and what I probably won't see, is a response from the dozen or so Koran/Islam/Muslim apologist members on ATS. That is all that needs to be said.

*Snorts*

No one of rational mind would dispute this was a horrible thing, and a reprehensible action by this supposed "Husband".

Why "Muslim Apologists" as you refer to them would probably avoid participating in this thread, is because they would have to interact with people ignorant enough to say things like "This is why we need to wipe the Middle East off the map".

Also, and this is just my opinion, but I find the "Muslim Apologists" are less likely to be so rabid and frothy over what I like to call horror porn.

reply to post by bigyin


We are, like it or not, an international community, and there must be an universal baseline for our conduct. The line between what is acceptable by the dictates of cultural relativism and what is heinous and should be discouraged must be drawn at what is clearly, inarguably harmful.

Women below the age of twenty suffer a much higher risk of complications from childbirth, and later dissatisfaction in life as a whole. Those who target younger women as sexual partners aren't concerned with fertility, they are concerned with control. The younger the girl, the more likely she is to buy his BS self-presentation.

And so much for the West. Not necessarily harmful per se, just sadsack douchey.

But institutionalized pedophilia? I will judge and condemn that shizz until my voice gives out, cultural relativism can suck it.

chloe4412
This part of the world could surely use some Anatomy/Physiology and Child Psychology courses. Education would be very helpful, especially about the human body. But, we know that isn't going to happen. Pedophiles, en masse, well, Mary mother to Jesus, was 15 when the holy spirit came onto her *giggles* so, I guess that means God approves of this.

Just sick.

you have no actual proof Mary the Mother of Jesus Christ was 15. She could have been 18 or 20 no one knows.

knowing God's character I would assume she was a young woman not a girl for God would not violate his own moral standard and obvious most know that sex with a child is morally wrong, just like adultery, lying or murder is.

alienreality
reply to post by boncho

 

Enjoyed reading your rant, not much logic in what you are selling either... Lots and lots of emotion in there..

Sounds like you are trying to say there is no right and wrong except those things you feel are right or wrong, "do what thou wilt" sounds like you are saying..

By the way, no human being has any right to say that God hates someone.. He loves the person, but hates the sin, or evil they do.. But you can twist everything to suit your hatred of Christian values you misinterpret and don't understand.

Excuse me? Where is any emotion? I am simply stating facts here. Religion in all its infancy was used to control and manipulate entire populations. Underage marriage, rape and prostitution were carried out by many an old religious leaders because absolute power enabled them to carry out such acts. Each religious institution has its own dark secrets.

And being that many of these things were acceptable back in biblical times, (so long as it was a revered person committing these things against a peasant) it was entirely acceptable.

This is just history and human nature nothing more.

Also, "homophobes that say God hates gays are liars, as the good book does not teach, nor does it say this anywhere..
Overzealous people in every religion and belief seem to believe they have also attained God status, and that they are authorized to judge others and claim what God thinks.... A little common sense would tell you these people are deluded and don't represent Christian values..

And this guy over in Yemen is not a Christian, he probably doesn't have a clue what to believe except whatever makes him feel good, just like an animal will behave.

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Yes, yes, yes. Islam and Christianity are all books of love and light and peace, blah blah blah.... Except there was none of it in its creation and less in the years after...

bigyin
The wests culture deems 2.1 children as ideal. Many adults have no children at all, presumably their take on life is to have as good a time for yourself as possible and then die .... end. I think thats a selfish outlook, but it's a common option.

I was born sterile...

Eidolon23
reply to post by bigyin

 

We are, like it or not, an international community, and there must be an universal baseline for our conduct. The line between what is acceptable by the dictates of cultural relativism and what is heinous and should be discouraged must be drawn at what is clearly, inarguably harmful.

Women below the age of twenty suffer a much higher risk of complications from childbirth, and later dissatisfaction in life as a whole. Those who target younger women as sexual partners aren't concerned with fertility, they are concerned with control. The younger the girl, the more likely she is to buy his BS self-presentation.

And so much for the West. Not necessarily harmful per se, just sadsack douchey.

But institutionalized pedophilia? I will judge and condemn that shizz until my voice gives out, cultural relativism can suck it.

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I was with you until I read "20". 20?! Some of the people saying no one under 18 should have sex need to understand their opinion is based on their own personal bias.

Hypothetically, if there was an international law dealing with the age of consent (for these cultures) it should/would be 13. That is the line that is clearly, inarguably harmful. I'm not saying I agree with 13 being ok, but we have to leave our own bias and emotions out of it. You couldn't tell a culture who marries children at 8 that they can't have sex until 20. You couldn't even get away with it here.

Different cultures and life experiences lead to different people as well. Some immature, stupid kid who has been spoiled their whole life is not the same as a "kid" (13+) from different circumstances. Under child bearing age though, it's clearly and inarguably physically harmful (potentially).

chloe4412
This part of the world could surely use some Anatomy/Physiology and Child Psychology courses.

or a new large area glass parking lot for people visiting Isreal

It appears this may be false.

Yemeni officials and journalists are saying the reports that an 8-year-old girl allegedly died of vaginal tearing on her wedding night are false, according to a report in Dubai-based news site Gulf News.

“When I heard the rumors [of the girl's death], I called the girl’s father," the local director of Criminal Investigation, Mosleh Al Azzani, told Gulf News by telephone on Monday. "He came with his daughter and denied the marriage and death of his daughter. I have the photos of the girl and will show it to anyone.”

I just saw this in my FB feed. I've seen the original story posted all day but this just came about.

According to the source it's a false story and the father brought his daughter to show she is still alive.



Why would anyone make something like this up??

Well according to the article this is why

"Some people create these stories to get publicity and attention and aid from international organizations," said activist Ahmad Al Qurishi of the SEYAJ Organization for Childhood Protection, a nonprofit volunteer organization.

What a disgusting and horrible way to get attention and publicity.



Personally I think all these arranged marriages of these young girls is just sick. Those men are pedophiles imo. How could any grown man want to marry a child so young. It should be illegal but these are "customs" that go way back. Customs imo that are just vile.


Yemen Officials Deny 8-Year-Old.....


Found another source where they state:

Mosleh Al Azzani, the director of Criminal Investigation in Harradh district where the marriage was thought to have taken place, told Gulf News via telephone that he personally sent for the girl and her father to question them about the incident. The girl’s name is Rawan.

“When I heard the rumours, I called the girl’s father. He came with his daughter and denied the marriage and death of his daughter. I have the photos of the girl and will show it to anyone.”

Original Gulf News source:
Wedding night death of girl, 8, denied in Yemen.
So it would seem the girl is fine and the marriage was false?

I'll look for more and post if and when it becomes available.

cheesy

An eight-year-old child bride has died in Yemen of internal bleeding sustained during her wedding night after being forced to marry a man five times her age, activists have claimed.
The girl, identified only as Rawan, died in the tribal area of Hardh in northwestern Yemen, which borders Saudi Arabia.
Activists are now calling for the groom, who is believed to be around 40 years old, and her family to be arrested so they can face justice in the courts.


Read more: www.dailymail.co.uk...

CHILD BRIDES: A GLOBAL ISSUE

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Since it's obvious who this article is directed towards, this seems more like a convenient distraction for faithful Obama supporters. To them, there's no difference between Yemen and Syria, as most don't know how to read a map. In any case...this is a cultural affair and is of no concern to people who don't understand why culrtures are different. If 'activists' want them arrested, they ought to get off their lazy asses and fly to Yemen to make a difference themselves.

webedoomed
It's part of their culture. Many things about our culture make them sick as well. Do you want someone coming into your house telling you that how you prefer to run things is sick? I didn't think so.

Oh, and teenage is a relatively new concept. We used to put our young adults to work and off to get hitched at age 13 or 14. Only the privileged stayed around their family long enough for luxuries like college. Thinking that banging a teen is sick is a new belief developed over the last 60-70 years. Now, 8yo is a bit low.. oh, and were all animals despite being domesticated to various degrees. Flame away ignoramouses.

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I tend to agree. The people shouting the loudest sound as ignorant as the people they are bashing. It is impossible to fully understand the culture these people live in. They don't see sex, marriage, and ages the same way we do. Hell, they don't even value the same kinds of clothing, hair styles, food, religious beliefs, ect ect.

It is ingrained into them from birth that this is how the world is. Most people in cultures like this do very little outside traveling or are exposed to Western ideals, beliefs, and social mores.

I got upset reading the OP, but I also realize that it's not my place to be judge and jury for another's culture. Even if I believe that their culture needs some "modernizing" and "updating" -- its not my call to say that my belief system is better than theirs. Who am I? Who and what gave me moral authority over these people?

Hopefully, Westerners can export the best of ourselves to these cultures; instead of our greed, selfishness, materialism and apathy.