reply to post by TinfoilTP
I'm going to say this as nicely as I can put it because you literally could not have pissed me off more with what you just said. Not if it had been
your express intent and WHOLE purpose...which I know it wasn't, so excuse the tone if I'm not covering my rage well enough.
People who toss these statistics around only to prop up their position are asking to be shown how futile their attempt is.
I do not just throw stats around to prop up my position. If it seems that way because I pulled those off a peace activist site with an agenda about 10
miles wide, then so be it. That isn't my problem because I know the numbers, as others do here, well enough to know those are CLOSE within a % or so,
if they are off at all, from what I have read in Department of Defense reports and extracts from casualty lists.
4488 over 10 years is not even enough to make the charts of death for US citizens.
THAT is one of the coldest, most HATEFUL things I've ever seen someone say on this site... I'd never have expected you to have that low a
consideration for life, American or otherwise. My brother in law served as a combat medic in both Afghanistan and Iraq and will be screwed up for this
rest of his natural life for what "doesn't matter' to some people. A GOOD PART OF WHY was treating a few of those 4,488 dead men before they CAME
to be dead. It's PERSONAL to some people and HOW DARE anyone make light of the deaths of servicemen. That's totally uncalled for on ANY topic, IN my
Anyone in the military goes in knowing full well they may be called upon to risk their lives for country.
Yes they do. My family members, including my BIL were no exception and he was twice volunteer. One of my cousins flying crew on the little cargo hops
between forward bases was 3 times volunteer to get there. What they DO NOT "know full well" or expect is for their lives and loss to be pissed away
in some hell hole for no good reason or need in national defense on ANY LEVEL. Thats called betrayal. That's called a nation that craps on them, as
they give all.
It is a testament to the discipline in conducting itself that only 4488 soldiers have died over 10 years in Iraq. It is an outstanding and
It's a testament to Body armor and the miraculous fact that a man down on a Baghdad street could expect high grade medical attention within a minute
or two and to be in an aid center in as little as 5-10, depending on location. The casualty rates on injury dropped from World War II to Vietnam and
Vietnam to this one because tech to stop bullets gets better and tech to patch the holes they make gets better.
If you believe SKILL had anything to do with a record low loss rate? Kindly explain ..Please... the level of loss to OCCUPIED coalition vehicles to
IED? Often with several people IN them and far from 100% loss? In previous wars...it may well have been ALL lost to every vehicle we had destroyed.
THAT is the difference. Not some Superman change in troop skill.
If those soldiers stayed home it is more likely they would have ended up a statistic in the 20 to 25 million who died in country over the same
10 year period from unhealthy living.
I'd give everything I have and more to see my BIL never knowing what combat was like. I'd give a lot to not have heard him talk, describe and weep
his way through how he killed a Haji in the battle of Haifa Street, damn near nose to nose with a knife. I think he sees that man in his sleep, likely
on a regular basis...and that was as clean and justified a kill anyone ever gets in combat........for what it matters to a man who did it and has to
live it it...late at night...when they come to visit.
You yourself were more at risk of dieing during the same time period by sitting in your chair jacking up your blood pressure criticizing those
who served, and it is easy to find stats to prop that position up.
Check yourself. Right now, please. I have not now, nor have I ***EVER*** crticized those who have served this nation. Not ONCE. EVER. PERIOD. FULL
I have had issues with INDIVIDUALS. I Have NEVER dumped on Servicemen or those who have served this nation, as a whole or in any generalized way.
Despite the hate-fest around here at times, I don't even extend that blanket hate-show to the Intelligence agencies...as they have normal people
working there just like the Military has normal men serving.
Please.. before you just go lumping people together, think and read...consider who you're replying to, so you make sure what you're saying fits the
PERSON you are replying to..not just a whole group you THINK they represent. In this case, you couldn't possibly have missed by more.
*See first lines on top....they were sincere and they are honest. 100%.