EU to US: Assad guilty of Syria gas attack, but no military backing before UN report

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posted on Sep, 8 2013 @ 06:33 PM
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EU to US: Assad guilty of Syria gas attack, but no military backing before UN report


rt.com

"Information from a wide variety of sources confirms the existence of such an attack and seems to indicate strong evidence that the Syrian regime is responsible for this attack," EU foreign policy chief Catherine Ashton said in a statement following a meeting between European foreign ministers and US Secretary of State John Kerry in the Lithuanian capital Vilnius on Saturday
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posted on Sep, 8 2013 @ 06:33 PM
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So even the darling of ATS, RT propaganda straight from the Kremlin, is reporting that Assad is guilty by way of the EU's findings. The suggested delay goes along with what Russia wants, to stall and delay, then get the UN to vote so they can block any action as usual.

But in the end the EU thinks Assad is guilty.

rt.com
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posted on Sep, 8 2013 @ 06:42 PM
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Still yet to see this evidence though, surely it can't be difficult to compile a report with all the evidence they apparently have, so that at least people might be able to consider their viewpoint. Yes it's come from the EU, but the quote is from a British politician, Catherine Ashton, who had just come out of a meeting with John Kerry.



posted on Sep, 8 2013 @ 06:54 PM
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Originally posted by twfau
Still yet to see this evidence though, surely it can't be difficult to compile a report with all the evidence they apparently have, so that at least people might be able to consider their viewpoint. Yes it's come from the EU, but the quote is from a British politician, Catherine Ashton, who had just come out of a meeting with John Kerry.



EU foreign policy chief Catherine Ashton


That is who she is officially acting as not as you put it


the quote is from a British politician


Nice try to devalue the information the story provides by that very weak attack on one of the EU officials.



posted on Sep, 8 2013 @ 07:00 PM
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Regardless of who is guilty of the attack, I still fail to see how a missile attack will solve anything. It will only destabilize the region, and open the doors for AQ gaining power. If the international community wants to get involved, they should sent peacekeepers, not bombs. We can't afford another military conflict.



posted on Sep, 8 2013 @ 07:08 PM
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So...

There's threads on ATS saying...

Syrian gov. Is responsible but acted without Assad's go ahead.


Rebels did it, duped by Saudi's who gave them the chemical warheads, but didn't say this is a bio-weapon...

And there is even a thread stating the USA is responsible for the attack to fuel a war through false flag method...

The fact is - our economic system is about to collapse and they want to prop it up with the war machine. Get all us good girls and boys back in the factories meeting the supply and demand of war.

It will happen - the elite have the money, power, and influence - to get what they want. When money talks, morality walks.

As to the morality of what happened to all those Syrian civies gassed....

Where was that morality on the previous times before this Assad opened fire on protestors? The other previous attacks? Where was the concern and need for something to be done then? I guess the markets looked brighter then, eh?

I have no idea who did what, but America needs to wash their hands of this and say NO to war. There has to be a better way.

Cirque

Cirque



posted on Sep, 8 2013 @ 07:27 PM
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Illegal. War Crime. Why are those terms so hard to understand?

It doesn't matter WTF Assad did or didn't do. A US attack on Syria is a WAR CRIME:


What Happened To The "Global War On Terrorism"? The U.S. Is "Fighting For Al Qaeda" In Syria

According to Nuremberg jurisprudence, the ultimate war crime consists in starting a war. Obama and his European counterparts including David Cameron and Francois Hollande are responsible for the supreme crime: "the crime against peace." This war is illegal irrespective of a decision of the UN Security Council to intervene in the internal affairs of a sovereign state:


UN Charter—1: Purposes and Principles
"All Members shall refrain in their international relations from the threat or use of force against the territorial integrity or political independence of any state, or in any other manner inconsistent with the Purposes of the United Nations...." Nothing contained in the present Charter shall authorize the United Nations to intervene in matters which are essentially within the domestic jurisdiction of any state or shall require the Members to submit such matters to settlement under the present Charter.


edit on 9/8/2013 by Ex_CT2 because: (no reason given)



posted on Sep, 8 2013 @ 07:48 PM
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The whole thing is about Gazprom.

Gas
pipelines
petrodollar
Cyprus
Saudi Arabia
U.S. Treasury securities
oil
Sunni
Wall Street holding tanks
Iran-Qatar project
Shiite
Muslim Brotherhood
McCain
Elbamajad
WTO
BIS
Caliphate
NWO
Rockefeller Foundation
NatGas Co-op
OPEC
Israel
Central Banks
Corporations


So, in light of this RT story...

Bomb
Mame
Attack
Destroy
Kill
Eradicate



posted on Sep, 8 2013 @ 07:53 PM
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Originally posted by Ex_CT2
reply to post by TinfoilTP
 


Illegal. War Crime. Why are those terms so hard to understand?



Yah they are easy to understand, Syria used chemical weapons so Syria has both illegal and war crime associated with it.

The US can exercise it's sovereignty to act against Syria for using chemical weapons. The UN can also if Russia, Syria's ally who gave them the means to use chemical weapons, would not block UN action.

Go tell Russia to do the right thing, then you won't have to bash on the US or endure another display of US military superiority.



posted on Sep, 8 2013 @ 08:10 PM
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Use of CWs was wrong. It has to be punished.

However, punishment need not be military. Other ways are also possible.

Don't expect Russia to back any strikes on its ally and that too after Libya trickery by US and NATO.

Punishment also need to be given to those who are fueling the civil war by arming the rebels.

Iraq and Afghanistan have not changed. They have only quietened down a bit.

Cooler heads should prevail and keep the region peaceful.



posted on Sep, 8 2013 @ 08:19 PM
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Originally posted by victor7
Use of CWs was wrong. It has to be punished.



Iraq and Afghanistan have not changed. They have only quietened down a bit.



Saddam's regime is gone and his minority sect does not rule the majority in Iraq any longer. You cannot imagine any larger change than that, and it is real.

In Afghanistan the Taliban no longer rule the nation. Again huge change.

They are still unstable and probably forever will be but the massive polar changes that have taken place can not be denied unless you just go around hating on the West claiming nothing happened by the actions.

You were merely using another false comparison the disinfo out there is fomenting for Syria.



posted on Sep, 8 2013 @ 08:22 PM
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Assad is guilty. Period. Hes guilty of Murder. Putin is, and Obama is too.

If we are going to hold one man accountable, hold them all.




posted on Sep, 8 2013 @ 08:27 PM
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Originally posted by sonnny1
Assad is guilty. Period. Hes guilty of Murder. Putin is, and Obama is too.

If we are going to hold one man accountable, hold them all.



Expand the bubble to include all so that there can be no solution.

The obvious lie you insinuated is that Putin and Obama are the same as Assad who used chemical weapons. Your statement is as far from the truth as possible, while protecting Assad through false association.

Try again.



posted on Sep, 8 2013 @ 08:32 PM
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Originally posted by TinfoilTP

Originally posted by sonnny1
Assad is guilty. Period. Hes guilty of Murder. Putin is, and Obama is too.

If we are going to hold one man accountable, hold them all.



Expand the bubble to include all so that there can be no solution.

The obvious lie you insinuated is that Putin and Obama are the same as Assad who used chemical weapons. Your statement is as far from the truth as possible, while protecting Assad through false association.

Try again.


Putin silences those who oppose him. How does a whistle blower from Russia get nuclear materials into his bloodstream, killing him?

How does Obama get to decide who to kill with personal "kill lists"? How can he kill US citizens without a trial? Do you know how many children have died from his drone strikes?

Im comparing murderers. I can care less how to objective is met. In the end, its innocent victims in the end.

Open your eyes Tin........



posted on Sep, 8 2013 @ 08:38 PM
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Originally posted by TinfoilTP

Originally posted by victor7
Use of CWs was wrong. It has to be punished.



Iraq and Afghanistan have not changed. They have only quietened down a bit.



Saddam's regime is gone and his minority sect does not rule the majority in Iraq any longer. You cannot imagine any larger change than that, and it is real.

In Afghanistan the Taliban no longer rule the nation. Again huge change.

They are still unstable and probably forever will be but the massive polar changes that have taken place can not be denied unless you just go around hating on the West claiming nothing happened by the actions.

You were merely using another false comparison the disinfo out there is fomenting for Syria.


Saddam's secular regime is gone but new regime is controlled by Iran and nothing much change other than people are not disappearing just like that. A new form of dictatorship has taken to effect something that Egypt saw for last 5 decades or more. Worst it is under control of Iran. US attacks Iran and Iraq will flare up again.

Afghanistan will change in 6 months after US has packed up and left. Taliban will be back in full force and any government in power will be toppled very easily. US better not leave for next 20 years until the new generation is ready to go to college. US better find a long term solution for its frenemy Pakistan which is the main source of trouble in the region.

Blow up money overseas while high schools back home are falling into deficit and cities going bankrupt. Some good economics in play.



posted on Sep, 8 2013 @ 08:39 PM
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Originally posted by sonnny1

Originally posted by TinfoilTP

Originally posted by sonnny1
Assad is guilty. Period. Hes guilty of Murder. Putin is, and Obama is too.

If we are going to hold one man accountable, hold them all.



Expand the bubble to include all so that there can be no solution.

The obvious lie you insinuated is that Putin and Obama are the same as Assad who used chemical weapons. Your statement is as far from the truth as possible, while protecting Assad through false association.

Try again.


Putin silences those who oppose him. How does a whistle blower from Russia get nuclear materials into his bloodstream, killing him?

How does Obama get to decide who to kill with personal "kill lists"? How can he kill US citizens without a trial? Do you know how many children have died from his drone strikes?

Im comparing murderers. I can care less how to objective is met. In the end, its innocent victims in the end.

Open your eyes Tin........


Putin also keeps our whistle blowers snug and cozy, look at Snowden. That issue is unrelated to Assad's regime using chemical weapons.

The fact that you don't like the US President legally acting in the legal War on Terror hunting down terrorists the world over has nothing to do with Assad's regime using chemical weapons.

You are trying your best not to include the use of chemical weapons into the story all about the use of chemical weapons. That is what my eyes are open to.



posted on Sep, 8 2013 @ 08:47 PM
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So Tin,

Your saying that Al Qaeda are our friends now?

And your logic is.....

Syrians killed Syrians, so now we must kill Syrians..



posted on Sep, 8 2013 @ 08:48 PM
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Seems to me You want Assad to be held for his crimes, while the rest of the World Leaders who are dirty continue to play their game of Murder.

Seems a bit hypocritical, and heavily narrow minded.

Good luck with your witch hunt. I agree Assad should be held accountable. But hold all world leaders to your lofty standards......




posted on Sep, 8 2013 @ 08:56 PM
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Originally posted by Tw0Sides
reply to post by TinfoilTP
 


So Tin,

Your saying that Al Qaeda are our friends now?

And your logic is.....

Syrians killed Syrians, so now we must kill Syrians..


No the logic is, any regime that uses chemical weapons has to go, to never again be at the table with all other nations.

Al Qaeda is flocking there, it is what they do. We have to support native Syrian groups as the jihadists make their play also. The whole "we are supporting Al Qaeda if we attack" is a red herring.



posted on Sep, 8 2013 @ 09:04 PM
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Originally posted by sonnny1
reply to post by TinfoilTP
 


Seems to me You want Assad to be held for his crimes, while the rest of the World Leaders who are dirty continue to play their game of Murder.

Seems a bit hypocritical, and heavily narrow minded.

Good luck with your witch hunt. I agree Assad should be held accountable. But hold all world leaders to your lofty standards......



This issue and story is all about the use of chemical weapons in Syria. You continue to try to include everything and the kitchen sink while avoiding discussion on chemical weapons.

Not too hard to see who is trying to be manipulative in this narrative.





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