Record return of Arctic ice cap as it grows by 60% in a year

Back in the 70s Prof. Lovelock said that the world was cooling but it has warmed since. But Lovelock could have been right. The world may be tending to cool from natural influences but warm from man made influences: it is trying to do two things at the same time. This is not good because it creates tension and tension is released in storms...

Yeah the entire man made climate change thing is nothing but an attempt for more control, more taxes, and to destroy the western economy so the NWO can completely slap down their socialist control state.

Do you think it could do with when the picture was taken, Winter or summer tilt of the earth. Just asking

Glassbender777
Do you think it could do with when the picture was taken, Winter or summer tilt of the earth. Just asking

Both pics were taken in August.
Unless we can prove the pictures are fake ?

reply to post by xuenchen


Xuenchen!!!!
Something we can finally agree on.
I think we are sneakily headed into a new Maunder Minimum.

reply to post by stormson

deniers say the earth was hotter and colder in the past. tis true. however, what they ignore is the speed in which the change took place.

What about the speed of the ice sheet growing? What did science say was possible say last year?
This gets to the heart of the matter. The claims and the reality don't always mesh. Deniers point to the inconsistencies, while the believers ignore them.

I believe the earth is warming, I don't believe the scientist understand the cycle and I don't think Mans increase of a pittance of CO2 is doing much of anything. In any case, I don't think anyone with a brain agrees that it can be stopped or mitigated in any meaningful way. Too much of the world is playing catch-up to the West to halt CO2 emissions. It's pie-in-the-sky left wing hooey. All they can do is hamstring the West.


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Phil Plait says otherwise, and between the two I think Phil Plait has better knowledge of the subject.

Phil Plait

When I heard that the Mail on Sunday ran a climate change article over the weekend, I knew it would be bad. But when I clicked the link and saw it was written by David Rose, I braced myself for the worst...Rose is a guy who denies climate change in the way creationists deny evolution, and flat-Earthers deny the Earth is, well, not flat. That is to say, with claims so ridiculously wrong it’s charitable to call them "ridiculously wrong."

No, the World Isn't Cooling

I think someone else said it best, the DailyMail is a lot of junk.

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and what speed is that? How many hundred years or thousands of years have we tracked it with advanced science? How fast does it normally happen? how many times has it happened in the last 1 million years? Can you or anybody honestly say you know the speed to every warming cooling cycle that has ever taken place on earth?

Every Year Science says....... "What we thought was Fact 10 years ago, We now know it's actually "blah blah"

That same statement about that same subject will evolve to Correct itself for another hundred/thousand years. .. because we never really know or understand the Real workings behind our world & all that surrounds it. Intellectuals have to believe they are the smartest minds ever & are masters of the Universe. that's why they call themselves "Intellectuals" It's a well polished Illusion that many follow to their Demise.

So..what we've learned here is that the "warmers" have hacked e-mails proving that they cherry-pick data to "prove" global warming - yet claim that "deniers" are the ones cherry picking and that even though the ice sheet has grown, it's not growing. It just hasn't melted and returned as much as last year...WTF!

And even though we were supposed to be ice free by this summer because the warming models told us so - we're still supposed to believe the very same people who came up with these non-factual models.

Now I'm just waiting for some AGW religious type to tell me how stupid I am - because name calling those who don't believe what you believe and screaming that these are "facts" is so cool!

I think the Icelandic volcano eruptions might have had a hand in this, Volcanoes in the past have drastically changed the climate in the past for a short periods.

A volcanic winter is a reduction in global temperatures caused by volcanic ash and droplets of sulfuric acid obscuring the Sun and raising Earth's albedo (increasing the reflection of solar radiation) after a large particularly explosive volcanic eruption.

The effects of volcanic eruptions on recent winters are modest in scale, but historically have been significant.

Most recently, the 1991 explosion of Mount Pinatubo, a stratovolcano in the Philippines, cooled global temperatures for about 2–3 years.

The 1815 eruption of Mount Tambora, a stratovolcano in Indonesia, occasioned mid-summer frosts in New York State and June snowfalls in New England and Newfoundland and Labrador in what came to be known as the "Year Without a Summer" of 1816.

wikipedia.com

I doubt it will last though. Once the ash particles dissipate enough the ice cap will continue to shrink as it's done in the past.

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What was cherry picked and taken out of context were those hacked emails. Those emails viewed in entirety and within the context of the conversations scientists were having with each other aren't scandalous at all.

Not one scientist claimed we would be ice free by this summer. The standard estimate for ice free summers is 5-10 years.

I have a religion and AGW isn't it. Stupidity and ignorance are not the same thing.

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The only hacked emails were by the deniers who cherry picked details from the hacked emails to "prove" there was a conspiracy to lie about GW. When you look at the email conversation in full it is quite clear the deniers are wrong. In fact what is far more worrying is the extent to which the true picture is toned down because it is far too extreme.

But carry on, don't let the truth sway your religious beliefs.

FYI : The latest measurements of sea ice VOLUME have just been released. I'm sure you will find a way to "deny" the results......

reply to post by yorkshirelad


This is the most convoluted, blurred, financed, misinformation agent circle j erk in our society. Keep that in mind when ever someone comes out with data leaning heavily to one side or the other. If you think that 7 billion humans aren't having an affect on the ecosystem I beg you to think about it seriously. If you think that the oil industry doesn't want to lose any addicts just think about that war we just had over oil in the middle east and the looming one. Just wait and see what happens when you go up against the mother nature. She a tough character that will shake us off the planet when ever she decides.
Is it that hard to do no harm ? To carry out your trash when ever you go to a park or beach ? To give up your giant vehicle to drive to the mall. Is a greener, cleaner sustainable future that distasteful to you or do you like all the filth and nastiness in our cities and towns ?
Were all in this together and that can't be denied.
Do no harm.

reply to post by Bornin66


That's kind of the big thing to me with all these anti-climate change arguments.

We have good solid scientific theory that we are contributing to an increase in global temperatures; with a correspondingly negative effect.

Even if the planet is going through its own "normal" process of increased temperatures it is pretty ludicrous, in my opinion, to think the near seven billion people on the planet and the resources we burn to support our lives have no impact to the planet. We can see it in multiple things, acid rain is a good example.

We have entered new territory.
The CO2 /Temperature graph has deviated.
Unlike any time in millions of years.
CO2 is about 400 ppm but instead of the heat going up
accordingly they have split. I think Sunspot counts
are to be a term we will hear a lot in the coming years.
It may get cold folks.

reply to post by Kali74


This is a pro climate change video.....What I really do like about this presentation are the actual observations that were made for the presentation. Do I agree with the direct observations, yes; hard to argue with evidence before your very own eyes. What interested me in particular was the explanation of the jet stream meandering in weird ways which has been responsible for some of the totally out of whack weather across the northern hemisphere. The jet stream stuff starts at about the 34 or 35 minute mark. Wind and solar power is also covered and how the cost are coming down starting at about the 49 minute mark...Good video and not once was Al Gore's name mentioned or how a carbon tax can save us all....

Regardless of which side of the argument you find yourself this video brings up some very good points.

btw I think it's worth remembering that this is not an ice cap or ice sheet we are discussing - it's Arctic ocean sea ice. It forms every winter and melts every summer. However in recent years it's been melting to a much larger extent than AGW climate models predicted.

Obviously, just how much melts each year varies - it's not more year after year - and last year saw record ice melt. This year is ess that last year but still somewhat below the average for the 2000s (let alone the previous 2 decades)

www.ijis.iarc.uaf.edu...

And is expected to be the 6th lowest extent on record

www.usatoday.com...

But does that mean the ice is growing?

Or has Rose and the media been deliberately misleading the public?

You tell me .....

reply to post by xuenchen


It doesnt matter if its warming or cooling - so long as we set up a global system for taxation, so we can usher in the Paradise of global government under our monetary oligarchs - may they burn in hell for ever.

reply to post by yorkshirelad


What I am saying Yorkshire Lad is that the IPCC is nothing more than a leftist (political if you like) organization bent on sucking tax dollars from have nations and sending them, after hefty fees, to the third world.

Their failure is well documented and the people supporting their findings are really just sheep trying to sell a much mal-aligned tax bill on a non-existent pollutant. Carbon is in itself inert and the real threat solar activity and deep ocean methane pockets.

The overall ice pack on the planet has increased, but recent events have shifted the positions.

You rant is moot.