reply to post by Kali74
Kali74 are you saying those who do not want to push their climate agenda do not cherry pick ? Have you seen any of the emails that were hacked and
exposes the expulsion of any data that does not agree with a predetermined/wanted outcome by the very same people who are pushing this agenda??
Climategate 2.0: Thousands of new emails from ‘confirm great man-made global warming scare is not about science but about political activism’,
Firstly, atmospheric carbon dioxide (CO2) has its greatest absorption of infrared radiation (IR) at sub-zero temperatures, as its absorption bands lie
in the 12-16 micron wavelength band, corresponding to the wavelength of strongest IR surface emission from polar ice and snow. At higher temperatures,
the typical wavelength of the strongest IR surface transmission is less than 12 microns, and therefore less affected by CO2. At temperatures near the
average surface temperature of the Earth (c. 15°C), the strongest emission wavelength is around 10 microns, a wavelength which is largely unaffected
by greenhouse gases. This is the so-called `radiation window’ of the atmosphere where IR radiation from the surface escapes freely to the space.
Secondly, by far the most powerful atmospheric greenhouse gas is water vapour. Water vapour shares many overlapping absorption bands with CO2 and
therefore an increase or decrease in atmospheric CO2 has limited effect on the overall rate of IR absorption in those overlapping regions, if water
vapour is present in sufficient quantity. In the Polar Regions , the air is dry due to prevailing low temperatures, allowing CO2 to exert a much
greater influence than would be possible in warmer and moister air masses at lower latitudes. Here water vapour saturates the absorption wavebands to
the point where changes in CO2 have little effect. In addition to the enhanced greenhouse effect, Arctic climate is influenced by a powerful positive
feedback mechanism, the temperature-albedo feedback, tending to amplify any initial temperature change. Rising temperatures will usually increase
melting of snow and sea ice, reducing surface reflectance, thereby increasing solar absorption, which raises temperatures, and so on. Conversely, if
climate cools, less snow and ice melts in summer, raising the albedo and causing further cooling as more solar radiation is reflected rather than
absorbed. END QUOTE:
First, let’s have a look at the UAH satellites, that cover 60S to 85S. Since satellites began monitoring temperatures in 1979, there has
actually been a small but declining trend (see green line).
In the artic
So we now have:-
Over all Declining temperatures with temporary warm spikes in other areas
Increasing sea ice
Increasing ice sheet mass.
On every count, the models and predictions of the IPCC and WMO have failed.
Meanwhile, alarmists tie themselves into ever more complicated knots, trying to explain record levels of Antarctic sea ice on global warming!
Atmos. Chem. Phys., 13, 8879-8914, 2013www.atmos-chem-phys.net/13/8879/2013/doi:10.5194/acp-13-8879-2013
This actual scientific study says the models used to scare everyone are off by as much as 100%...no room to post it here...There are differences
between Cherry picking studies that disagree with a false agenda and the partial lies and bad data the agenda was built around. Yet there are many who
still want to believe in fudged data and those who have been caught lying and deleting data that does not agree with their research funding
Actually Kali74 I do respect your research on this subject and in many ways I could agree with your findings but as I said to you in another thread
long ago...The science is not in and the studies are not complete; no reason to go running off and believe everything you read or hear especially when
there is serious money behind a program to possibly foster incomplete/hidden data or lies .
When those who are pushing this stuff are caught lying then: It's OK to let a fool kiss you; but don't let a kiss fool you. How many times do we
have to be kissed by the fools to finally figure out they are not to be trusted?
As far as Climate depot and Ice Age now they are a central clearings house who bring attention to articles and research (sources are linked) that
disagree with the whole agenda 21 Global Warming/ Climate Change propaganda...