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Angelic Resurrection
This is all poppycock about information wars and ahem.... Lol information is energy
ImaFungi
reply to post by dragonridr
Your understanding of information is quite whacky, and not because its over my head and you are right and it will need some time for me to get used to your superior and well acclaimed intellectual concept, its because your understanding of the concept is skewed. It is meaningless to say information is fundamental. Information is a word created and used to point to the existence of quantity and quality of energy. Energy is information, because it is quantity and quality. Energy isnt information because its information. Like the universe isnt words and numbers. Unless you are arguing that the universe is an illusion and not physical, but if it is physical and real, then yes the universe is information in that we can distinguish an apple as a different thing from your head, and the apple has an extensive history that led to is creation, and has molecules that make it up, and all those energetic events are like words and numbers that were added together which is time, that resulted in the product of an apple, but the way you are talking about information makes it seem as if physical things dont really exist, only immaterial and non energetic words or numbers exist, like 0 and 1, and combinations of these exist, and there is no reason for infinite 0s and 1s to exist but they do, and when they interact with one another they equal non physical representations of the things we classically see and experience and are.
My point is, stuff is primary, and stuff is information by definition, and information is not a thing unto itself, it itself is not a thing, it is a word used to describe the thingness of things. Mass reacts to gravity because of circumstance and law, the mass that creates the gravity is information in and of itself, the gravity field is information in and of itself, and the mass heading towards that gravity field is information in and of itself, and the mass then interacting in real time with the gravity field is information in and of itself, but all of that is not really information in and of itself, it is energy/matter. pft, I know I made some mistakes with this argument and am potentially wrong and silly, but im trying to say, information does not exist outside of stuff, information is stuff, energy/matter, so it just irks me to to hear it said information is most primal and fundamental essence, because it makes it seem like you are implying there is some immaterial essence that exists beyond stuff, energy/matter.
dragonridr
So as information is transferred from one point to the next this causes interactions we see as the fundamental forces.
dragonridr
reply to post by ImaFungi
Ok i think i have a way to explain this to you. Lets talk about Left and right handed quarks.So a quarks combined charges give the proton its charge.
now if we were to add up the masses of the quarks you do not get the mass of the proton. Instead, the mass of the proton is dependent on how the quarks swing. The oscillations of the quarks are also central for a variety of physical phenomena. So its not the quark thats important but the information it has or in this case its spin. All spin is bottom line information stored in the quark. Simply buy changing its information we change its properties. When we truly hit the point of building particles just like in star trek replicators it will be nothing more then altering the information they contain. Does that make more sense?
ImaFungi
If a baseball can be referred to as a particle and something occurs as to where I throw a baseball and it travels for 100 feet in an oscillating up and down motion, (idk maybe this could be possible with some type of set up of magnets, a long ceiling of S pole facing down, long floor of N pole facing up, and the ball is some type of magnet...I dont know exactly how this scenario would work but imagine it could...maybe if the ceiling is N and S pole repeating and they are all very small facing downward...idk), You can say that this baseball or particle is traveling like a wave, it is traveling in a wave motion, but the baseball or particle itself is not a wave, its fundamental essence and nature is not a wave. It is a singular object that when referred to as behaving wave like is not in and of itself oscillating as a body, like its fabric and innards are not alternatively traveling up and down, it as a whole particle entity is traveling in a pattern of a wave.
So now, if a photon are like little baseballs, that are single objects, that when created move up and down in a wave like motion, it is (in my grand opinion) false to say that a photon is a wave. If however when photons are created in reality, they are not like baseballs or particles, but more like a rippling of a medium, then a photon or em radiation is a wave, it is not a specific and singular object that is moving up and down in relation to all else, it is an object that is intimately connected to other objects, or potentially a massive object, if thats what a field is, and a specific area of this massive object, has the inherent ability to be rippled, or waved.
Follow up query, is there a maximum energy photon? If we exponentially innovated a machine over time that could increasingly 's hake' electrons at higher and higher velocities (and perhaps this occurred in a super vacuum sealed room, to try and see if the em field could be maxed out, or what would happen with an overload of EM energy in one area...I think I know that photons are not subject to pauli exclusion principle, so does that mean if light could be confined to a single area, the theoretical maximum limit of EM radiation that can exist in that area is theoretical total of electrons of the universe that could be shaken with the maximum amount of frequency... and even then it wouldnt react with itself? we wouldnt be able to see it, because it being contained would insinuate its light not entering out eyes ) what would happen eventually? Is this pretty much the idea of stars and maybe supernovae (like they are shaking electrons more violently then any hypothetical machine could?)?
dragonridr
Ok lets discuss a photon first lets define it because it can mean multiple things. So ill pick one particle physics sees it as naturally a particle with zero mass,no electric charge and an indefinite life time. This is the base unit that forms electromagnetic waves. As it moves its interactions are or lack of them depending are from the properties it has (information). We can alter these properties to get them to do other things like polarization for example. A photon in and of itself isnt a wave it will vibrate at a frequency and when we add these together they form waves.
Now the last part im not sure what you mean maybe its late or just not rapping my head around it but supernovas arent shaking off electrons there actually a by product of the strong and weak nuclear force.The theory is something like this he core collapse also triggers a shockwave that propagates outward, blowing away the outer layers of the star.After several hours for the shockwave covers the distance to the outermost layers of the star in the process parts of the star are blown in to space. But this wave never quite makes it to the surface because gravity pulls it back and just like a hammer smashes the core again making it even denser. This again can cause another collapse and the process starts over. This can form a black hole or neutron star depending on mass.
ImaFungi
dragonridr
Ok lets discuss a photon first lets define it because it can mean multiple things. So ill pick one particle physics sees it as naturally a particle with zero mass,no electric charge and an indefinite life time. This is the base unit that forms electromagnetic waves. As it moves its interactions are or lack of them depending are from the properties it has (information). We can alter these properties to get them to do other things like polarization for example. A photon in and of itself isnt a wave it will vibrate at a frequency and when we add these together they form waves.
So how do you imagine the EM field? Infinite photon balls? How are they connected? how are they existing before EM waves are created locally in the field?
You say a photon in and of itself isnt a wave, but I thought the whole conundrum with the double slit experiment is that when 1 photon is fired at the slits there is an interference pattern on the sheet...or something. I thought there is a scenario where 1 photon behaves like a wave, and thats why photons and other fundamental particles like an electron are said to be particle life and wave like.
Now the last part im not sure what you mean maybe its late or just not rapping my head around it but supernovas arent shaking off electrons there actually a by product of the strong and weak nuclear force.The theory is something like this he core collapse also triggers a shockwave that propagates outward, blowing away the outer layers of the star.After several hours for the shockwave covers the distance to the outermost layers of the star in the process parts of the star are blown in to space. But this wave never quite makes it to the surface because gravity pulls it back and just like a hammer smashes the core again making it even denser. This again can cause another collapse and the process starts over. This can form a black hole or neutron star depending on mass.
Well I was thinking about if there was a limit as to how much EM radiation could exist in a single smallish area (if there were hypothetical indestructible walls or for some imaginary reason the em radiation stayed in one area where it was being directed to exist), I was thinking if there is not some weird things that would occur as the energy levels go higher, it the only limiting factor the device hypothetically build able that would use all the energy in the universe to as violently as possible to the highest possible frequency and beyond (is there a limit, or a beyond that, and beyond that), and then I though maybe an example of this is super novae, extremely energetic radiation events, because I mentioned electrons because I thought radiation comes into existence due to charged particles...so in nuclear force events like super novae that cause massive frequencies of radiation, is this still due to charged particles coupled to the EM field being accelerated vigorously?
Mary Rose
I'm not really a proponent of the electric universe. I think the aether is more fundamental.
Aether, in Tesla’s lexicon, was space flowing electricity: a gas of superlative and transcendent qualities.
Mary Rose
reply to post by peter vlar
His x-ray was not your x-ray.
He was an inventor and a creative genius. He has a long, long list of inventions. Inventions are what really matter.
Mary Rose
reply to post by peter vlar
His x-ray was not your x-ray.
He was an inventor and a creative genius. He has a long, long list of inventions. Inventions are what really matter.
Abstract
This paper aims at providing a satisfying theory for the yet unknown mechanism for gravity. It is well known that the law of gravitation was mathematically described as a field theory by Einstein's general theory of relativity as early as 1916, however, although I have no doubt that its mathematics is correct, GR offers absolutely no mechanism to describe why gravity works the way it does. It is hereby proposed that extremely high frequency, electromagnetic waves sourced by diffuse unpolarized cosmic waves in the upper gamma frequency spectrum, sometimes also referred to as zero point energy pervades all space. Radiation pressure imbalance of such highly penetrating extragalactic incoming radiation, acting through all matter is held responsible for pushing matter together. . . .
Mary Rose
From "The Electro-Magnetic Radiation Pressure (EMRP) Gravity Theory":
Abstract
This paper aims at providing a satisfying theory for the yet unknown mechanism for gravity. It is well known that the law of gravitation was mathematically described as a field theory by Einstein's general theory of relativity as early as 1916, however, although I have no doubt that its mathematics is correct, GR offers absolutely no mechanism to describe why gravity works the way it does. It is hereby proposed that extremely high frequency, electromagnetic waves sourced by diffuse unpolarized cosmic waves in the upper gamma frequency spectrum, sometimes also referred to as zero point energy pervades all space. Radiation pressure imbalance of such highly penetrating extragalactic incoming radiation, acting through all matter is held responsible for pushing matter together. . . .