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reply to post by Village Idiot
Americans won't care about Israel. not that much. the trouble is, any false flag against Israel may be precisely the excuse Israel would like to act - and they would probably just launch their Samson Option, dragging everyone around, including USA, into war. i doubt that will be the case though, US government will do everything to get domestic support for attack on Syria, and 'helping out Israel' just won't cut it. not this time.
reply to post by SquirrelNutz
Everything I have seen has convinced me I'm right.
Kerry is practically foaming at the mouth to get into Syria. Obama's address was confused, because he's confused over what to do right now. The chemical weapons deal suggested by Russia is a perfect play to neuter the US argument to go to war, meaning the Russians saw what I did (no surprise).
The attack I suggested as forthcoming is not the best plan. Any time you unleash any type of weapon on your own people, there are potential problems. Add to that the fact that I really don't believe the US government is conducting true "false flag" operations in the US. Will they look the other way so they use a disaster they might have otherwise prevented? Yep. Will they actually covertly convince others to execute an attack? Yep. But I just don't see direct agents pulling this off themselves. There's too much chance of being caught, and can you imagine the outcry if the US was caught red-handed bombing or using WMDs on their own people?
Right now, no one in the current administration is sure what the best course of action is. As I type this, I believe there are literally swarms of government agents going over a myriad of different plans to see which is the best for their purposes. I believe everything was set until Russia suggested Assad turn over his chemical weapons. Suddenly we have a new problem; if we attack after such an offer, we lose all credibility internationally as well as with our own people. It also takes away our trump card. If we are, as I suspect, the ones who supplied chemical weapons, and if Assad turns his over and allows UN inspection to verify, we can't supply the rebels with chemical weapons any more without running a huge risk of being caught red-handed.
I also think that there's something else going on that we the people are unaware of. If I were Assad and was trying to stalemate America in this, I would let every American-based operative know what was going on and to take absolutely no actions that could be considered terrorism. That means in order for a domestic attack to occur, someone American, and probably someone in the government, has to pull the trigger and run the risk of being caught and the whole tapestry unraveling. As long as we had terrorist cells in this country, we had a public opinion tool that we could use if needed, a large part of why the Mexican border is so open and will not be closed.
Sooner or later, I'm sure they will find someone fanatical enough to ignore what's needed by Syria and to launch an attack. But just any attack won't do. As I mentioned earlier, it has to be something that will change public opinion overnight, without question. That probably leaves out 95% of the plots going on right now. But sooner or later won't work very well if this deal goes through. In order to blow the deal, there has to be a Syrian strike on US soil, at least in theory, right now before Assad can turn over his weapons and let the UN inspectors in. We're caught between a rock and a hard place and there's not much room to squirm out of it.
I'm starting to think there may be a desperation move on the part of the US... either they decide to launch an attack on our soil by themselves, running a major risk, or they will simply attack before anyone realizes what has happened and try to cover it with trumped-up propaganda. Either way, we are going to war.
I believe I was fairly close one this one. I did use the word "stalemate" not that long ago(page 12). The funny thing is that I was just joking around.
It would appear we have a (temporary) stalemate. The US has officially agreed to work with Russia and Syria to eliminate the chemical weapons.
I just read over the Framework for Elimination of Syrian Chemical Weapons posted today by the State Department. It contains two deadlines: elimination of production facilities and implementation of UN inspections by November, and complete removal of chemical weapons by middle of next year. This tells me one of two things have happened:
- The US has given up on the idea of using direct intervention in Syria. This would indicate that the rebels are winning and expect to be in control of the country soon without direct overt US intervention.
- The US has a plan to blow this whole deal somehow before the middle of next year. The November deadline really has little teeth. UN inspectors can miss sites, and production facilities can be easy to re-implement, so either requirement can be propagandized back against Syria. Should this framework proposal be implemented in an actual agreement, I expect complaints about the efficiency of UN inspectors and access issues to suspected sites to be almost immediate.
There is another possibility... if the rebels can be kept in the know as to where the chemical weapons (which are of course the remains from the days before the Iraqi War began; we have aerial photos showing the convoys of trucks leaving for Syria) are located, the intention may be for the rebels to use the information gained from the UN inspections to acquire the weapons for themselves. Then the weapons can be used to either take out Assad's regime or implement another false flag event to discredit Syria's intentions and potentially bring us back to where we were a week ago... preferably after the current Administration has built up some additional political capital.
If this is the case, expect some serious anti-Syrian propaganda to be forthcoming form the MSM, and perhaps some "foiled terrorist plots" to be made public. Foiled plots are much easier to create out of thin air than actual attacks; all you need is a couple patsies to take the blame. Also expect Obama to either hide or come out with some changes in previous policy to bump that political capital up.
reply to post by TheRedneck
I don't quite see it that way, Redneck.
Putin effectively and publicly 'ham-stringed' Obama with his intercession regarding the whole Syria dealio.
RumsfeldI mean 'Kerry', has shown himself as the bumbling idiot he is throughout...
I don't quite see it that way, Redneck.