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posted on Nov, 12 2004 @ 09:22 PM
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{UPDATE: Please look at my latest post on page 2 for more source information, great reads there} Thank you! -- X

One of the many, many things that I poke around in is the subject of Mind Control. Both government sponsored and private group mind control projects and or techniques. I believe that Mind Control does indeed exist on some level, or at least that it's likely to.

Below I'll be putting various links up regarding the subject, articles and books that are interesting(to me at least).

What I wanted to hear from the ATS community was:

Do you believe that Mind Control exists in some form?

If so, what is your thoughts on how this works?

Do you think that you could ever be succeptible to such Mind Control?

Would you know it if you were under such control?


Here we go:

Chapter 1
Science No. 1.
The Selection and Preparation of The Victim
A - Selection Based on Genetics and Disassociative Abilities
B - Availability
C - Mental and Physical Features One of the primary reasons that the Monarch mind-control programming was named Monarch programming was because of the Monarch butterfly. The Monarch butterfly learns where it was born (its roots) and it passes this knowledge via genetics on to its offspring (from generation to generation).

This was one of the key animals that tipped scientists off, that knowledge can be passed genetically. The Monarch program is based upon Illuminati and Nazi goals to create a Master race in part through genetics. If knowledge can be passed genetically (which it is), then it is important that parents be found that can pass the correct knowledge onto those victims selected for the Monarch mind-control. The primary important factor for the trauma-based mind-control is the ability to disassociate. It was discovered that this ability is passed genetically from generation to generation.

American Indian tribes (who had traumatic ritual dances and who would wait motionless for hours when hunting), children of Fakirs in India (who would sleep on a bed of nails or walk on hot coals), children of Yogis (those skilled in Yoga, who would have total control over their body in trance), Tibetan buddhists, children of Vodoun, Bizango and other groups have a good ability to disassociate. The children of multigenerational abuse are also good at dissociation. The Illuminati families and European occultists went to India, and Tibet to study occultism and eastern philosophy. These Europeans learned yoga, tantric yoga, meditations, and trances and other methods to disassociate. These skills are passed on to their children via genetics. A test is run when the children are about 18 months old to determine if they can dissociate enough to be selected for programming or not.

Mind-controlled slaves are created for different purposes, hierarchy or non-hierarchy purposes. The Illuminati create mind-controlled slaves who are to function within the Illuminati hierarchy. These slaves will usually have their genealogies hidden, and will be created to have excellent cover lives to insure that they are not detected. They will be given multifunctional programming, and will usually be used to help program other slaves. The abuse will not be as physically visible as it will be on the bodies of slaves who are not born to be part of the Illuminati elite. Members of Moriah’s (Moriah = the Illuminati) Luciferian elite will have undergone as much trauma as other slaves, however the torture scars and the control are better concealed. These children will often receive lavish experiences as well as talks to convince them that they are part of the elite. (By the way, body scars will show up better under black light, that is the same black light as used in clubs.) The Illuminati and other organizations have also programmed individuals who are simply expendable. These are sex slaves who are used up and killed very early in life, one-time use saboteurs, breeders, soldiers, drug couriers and so forth. The bodies of these people will often show visible torture scars.

The expendable are the children of parents who were blackmailed into turning their children over to the CIA. This is all hidden by the power of the National Security Act. These are children, who have been sold by pedophile fathers, or pornographic parents. The programmers/masters program them with the expectation that they will be "thrown from the freedom train" when they get to age 30. (Freedom Train is the code word for the Monarch trauma-based mind-control. To be thrown from the Freedom Train means to be killed.)
The CIA and the Illuminati are skilled at blackmailing parents to give up their children.

More at the link below:
A really interesting E-Book by Fritz Springmeir


Another interesting article would be the whole Satanic Ritual Abuse angle. An excerpt:
Increasingly, cases of Multiple Personality Disorder (MPD) and Satanic Ritualistic Abuse (SRA) are being reported in the psychotherapeutic community. Though controversy concerning authenticity remains, such cases are slowly gaining in acceptability as a genuine social and psychopathological phenomenon. Concurrently, the etiological underpinnings and treatment demands of these special patients are being unraveled and understood as never before. As a result, it is becoming increasingly clear that perhaps the most demanding treatment aspects of such cases concern the problems posed by what is known as "cult programming."

So called cult "programs" are really no more than conditioned stimulus-response sequences consistent with basic learning theory. Such conditioning is achieved through a large variety of sophisticated and sadistic mind control strategies involving the combined application of physical pain, double-bind coercion, psychological terror, and split brain stimulation. All programs are stimulus-sensate triggered. Thus, programs may be enacted (triggered) via auditory, visual, tactile, olfactory and/or gustatory modalities. Classical, operant, and observational/modeling paradigms all are utilized by the cults and their "programmers." Finally, it is important to note that virtually all cult programs will possess a variety of secondary and tertiary back-ups -- perhaps several layers of each.

The following is a preliminary and evolving listing of the different types of cult programming observed in my own brave patients, as well as in those of my colleagues and consultees. All such patients are survivors of Satanic Ritualistic Abuse with a diagnosis of Multiple Personality Disorder.

More found here.

Also on the Satanic Ritualistic Abuse topic, we have another article that details Recognizing and Classifying the Varous Types of Programming. Excerpt Below:


Many Sadistic Ritual Abuse Survivors who have been diagnosed as having Multiple Personality Disorder (SRA/MPD), have been programmed in systematic, complex ways. By programming, we mean that the human, in a dissociated or altered mind state, has been systematically and deliberately taught lessons, attitudes, beliefs, behaviors, and responses to specific cues ("triggers") so as to respond on command in ways that benefit the person/groups responsible for the programming. There has been much controversy about whether the human mind functions as a computer; many clinicians believe that it is impossible to "program" the human brain. However, we have learned from survivors, including those whose job within a cult/organized group, was to "program" others, that indeed, it is possible to instill very complex information in the unconscious mind, and to use this information to ensure control of the human by controlling the mind.


Follow it up right here.


Also, a rather strange speech was written back in 1992 that really seems to say a lot. Excerpt below:


The Greenbaum Speech

Herein is the lecture by D.C.Hammond, originally entitled “Hypnosis in MPD: Ritual Abuse,” but now usually known as the “Greenbaum Speech,” delivered at the Fourth Annual Eastern Regional Conference on Abuse and Multiple Personality, Thursday June 25, 1992, at the Radisson Plaza Hotel, Mark Center, Alexandria, Virginia. Sponsored by the Center for Abuse Recovery & Empowerment, The Psychiatric Institute of Washington, D.C. Both a tape and a transcript were at one time available from Audio Transcripts of Alexandria, Virginia (800-338-2111). Tapes and transcripts of other sessions from the conference are still being sold but—understandably—not this one. The transcript below was made from a privately made tape of the original lecture.

The single most remarkable thing about this speech is how little one has heard of it in the years since its original delivery. It is recommended that one reads far enough at least until one finds why it’s called “the Greenbaum speech.”


Read the actual transcript here.


I hope some read and respond to what these articles contain. If there's interest in this subject, I'll post more links on this and other programs(MKULTRA, '___' relations etc).

Thanks for looking.


X


[edit on 18-11-2004 by Xatnys]

[edit on 19-11-2004 by Xatnys]




posted on Nov, 12 2004 @ 09:32 PM
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Here's my answers to the questions I've asked:

Do you believe that Mind Control exists in some form?
Yes. I think that there have been both private and government programs that have tried to win the 'War of The Mind'. And that at least some headway has been made into the subject.


If so, what is your thoughts on how this works?
I think that some of the regular methods are very subtle. Societal wide conditioning through media outlets might be one. Also there are great parallels between some of the 'trauma based conditioning' methods and some military training. They may also have other ways they mess with.

Do you think that you could ever be succeptible to such Mind Control?
I believe that EVERYONE has that potential, but some more than others.The more you are prone to question society, reality, and your surroundings in general, the less likely it is that you can be conditioned.

Would you know it if you were under such control?
Probably not. I'm not sure that there are any countermeasures, if any of this even really exists. It seems many alleged 'victims' of this just ' wake up ' after some point, or are woken up by others that are able to identify and 'deprogram'.

That's what I've got on this. Speculation, yes. Interesting speculation? Totally.


X



posted on Nov, 12 2004 @ 09:41 PM
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Maybe everybody might not want to read that transcript.

It brought up memories that I don't want to visit. I'm outta here.



posted on Nov, 12 2004 @ 09:54 PM
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ok...


Thanks for your input and participation just the same.


X



posted on Nov, 12 2004 @ 11:41 PM
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Very interesting to say the least.

Are all his credentials on that site real and verifiable?



posted on Nov, 13 2004 @ 08:53 AM
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As far as I've been able to research, it's straight forward stuff.

However that's not to say there is a lack of controversy. Take for example, a person named Svali . Now according to this individual, she was part of a privatized mind control effort, and speaks to the methods of "cult programming". I've never been able to verify her story 100%, but what she says matches up with common research. The above link and *this one* go into a lot of detail. Excerpt below:
This article, consistent with others I have written, is a very difficult one personally. Why? Because it touches on some of the things that I am most ashamed of in my own life. I used to be a cult programmer, or "trainer" as they are called, and here I will share some of what I did or witnessed while in that role. I also went through these things as a child, so this article is also quite autobiographical as well. Autobiography can be a moment of boasting, of quiet joy, or intense pain. Mine falls in the latter category, to say the least. But I am hoping with all of my heart that sharing my pain will help others avoid this pain, or will help society better understand what survivors go through.

This article will in no means be a complete treatment of the subject. Cult programming is a complex subject....



So, I'd have to say that our biggest issue, as with all other conspiracy research is Discerning Truth . Excerpt of that link found below:

Everybody has their own methods for figuring truth out. Some are finding it better than others. As with other things, there isn’t one set way for determining truth. The procedures are going to vary from situation to situation, but there are certainly some useful tips that can be passed on from one truth seeker to another. Finding truth is not a matter of taste. One doesn’t investigate the one-true god by deciding what god suits our tastes best -- but lots of people do this anyway. As we set our personal criteria for what is truth, we will find others in disagreement with us. Ultimately, real truth is not something personal but something all truth seekers can agree upon. This is why Jesus Christ’s words are so powerful, they are eternally truthful. They are as much truth as they were when they were spoken.



I know this is some heavy stuff, but it really needs to be understood by EVERYONE who considers themselves at least a moderate conspiracy researcher, or cares for freedom, or those that view themselves as independent thinkers. Because frankly, if 10% of what you read above is real, then many horrible truths become apparent.

I mean, we could tie this in with the 'Conspiracy of Missing Children', political killings, potential MKULTRA studies(Manson Family, Tim Leary / CIA connection etc).

So many angles could blow wide open. I'm surprised this hasn't gotten more of a reaction, but I'm glad it got some interest. Seems that many are all shook up over the election and shrub in there again, well this here could hold a part in even that debacle...

I'll post more and more as long as there some form on interest here. The potential power and control is no laughing matter in my opinion.


X



posted on Nov, 13 2004 @ 10:10 AM
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www.abovetopsecret.com...
Notice the word, "delusional."

There are USGummint agents in all Forums. They work here. Their job is to examine our writings to see if what we are saying will somehow expose the Game.

Their tactic is to humiliate, slander and shame people who bring data that clarifies the rules of the Game, the participants in the Game, and the true outcomes of the Game, as exemplified by--have you seen these--decks of cards with the photos of Arabs and/or Administration officials on them?

Yeah. They think it's funny. They're hiding their motives right in plain sight.

The Game is: take down Constitutional governance [by terrorizing the non-violent populations] so Elites own and control everything: Babylon the Great.

They have their False Prophet [BushSr see the above thread's transcript] and they have their Beast that comes up out of many waters--the UN police force. They have developed their Mark [the chip]; and they have taken down all legal protections for people who want to keep Freedom of Thought to themselves.

There is no doubt, some of the Game's shills [lurkers] and lackeys [spokes-persons in the style of Machiavelli and Strauss] are already here.

But so long as we ATS participants keep to our own rules, insist on good manners and only present verified and verifiable data, we will be safe from disruptions caused by Gamesmen. All they will be able to do is insult us; and then get expelled. I have placed Ibn Iblis on "ignore."



posted on Nov, 13 2004 @ 10:27 AM
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Thanks for stopping back in Emily_Cragg.

I'm not sure who this Ibn Iblis is, but I'll be viewing your link in one second. I personally try to never put people on ignore though, as it's so strange how information can come to you. Sometimes from the least expected source.

Your thoughts on "The Game" are interesting, to say the least. I know it seems slightly off topic, but feel free to elaborate in here as you see fit.

I try to know a bit about everything. Maybe by all of us putting our heads together, we can turn slivers of truth into a larger whole.


Oh and I agree to some extent, disinformation and misinformation is everywhere, even on here. Mods seem to do well at keeping personal attacks and flat out troublemaking to a minimum, so that helps a bit. But yeah I'm sure there are powers at work, yes.


X



posted on Nov, 13 2004 @ 10:42 AM
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Once I got over my discomfort at the content of that speech, and got a good night's sleep, I can now speak to the methodology that is being referred to.

MKULTRA is in the business of creating "Manchurian Candidates" who are unwilling, unconscious criminals.

And then these--mentally-controlled--people are put to work in Forums like this one--to derail conversations about current events, and lead us all away from judgments that might bring certain criminal activities to the fore.

At NYTIMES/Abuzz where I wrote for several years, there was a corral of [about a dozen of ] these mind-controlled people whose only goal was to disrupt ANY talk of conspiracies, even though our Gummint has been operating BY THE OFFICIAL POLICY OF SECRECY since 1947.

The modus operandi of Forum "programmed thugs" was DISTRACTION--anywhich way. They had several techniques for shutting down a thread that were not illegal by the NYTIMES rules; and so that's what these guys did: fonghoul, bruced, massagattos.

1. Change the topic in the middle, to a completely irrelevant line of thought.
2. Two or more of them would get into a fight over the topic, that goes off in other directions.
3. Several of them would join a topic, and take turns calling the author by a list of insulting derogatory labels.
4. Dig up personal information about the author from other sources; and replace the topic with that personal information.
5. Threaten the author with physical harm.

I endured three years of that abuse before I came here. And let me tell you: this place is such a breath of fresh air! My computer does not get hacked into nor flooded with spy-ware. Nobody is insulting anybody; and the decorum is simply wonderful. I really appreciate this place, and I intend to be as good a sport as I can possibly be, for the privilege of participating.

But, as to socio-paths trained in labs to disrupt society and do the Game's dirty-work: that says more about our society, that we have allowed this practice to be pursued, than just about anything else I can think of.

How sick such a practice is, when psychiatry can barely deal with its casualties, and who knows how many victims there are, who have been manhandled by these US-trained terrorists? It's appalling, isn't it?



[edit on 13-11-2004 by Emily_Cragg]



posted on Nov, 13 2004 @ 12:08 PM
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Indeed. To me, the worst examples of conditioning are also the most subtle. People who dismiss subjects without contemplating what the subject is truly about or the scope of its implications could be.

You find that all over the place. I'm not sure if it's a intentional conditioning, or if it is an avenue that a certain type of persons just travel down. A by product of various other forms of manipulation perhaps?

I don't know. I mean there's a million things that I DON'T believe, but I've always given the information a chance before taking a position. That goes for this subject, like it goes for the travisty(imho) of a 2-party political system, or facetious wars being waged by our 'mighty rulers'.

Let me ask you(and any others who care to participate) this:

How deep does this go if it's true? Is it just the Satanic Ritualistic Abuse? Is it just MKULTRA? Monarch conditioning? All of the above and then some?

How many are affected by this?

Does this just involve certain actions(assasinations, disinformation activities) or is this on a bigger level, societal programming, in your opinion?

How asleep is society? At times I think it's taken a handful of sleeping pills and is just waiting for "it all to be over"....

X



posted on Nov, 13 2004 @ 12:19 PM
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You guys scare me!.....

I've read a lot on those subjects and that made me really depressed a few months ago...
The more I talk about it, the more it think it's all real and then it freaks me out and I stop thinking about it!
Then I started to go into spirituality and the real purpose of life

I'm really stressed because of ATS these days, I turns me to analyse everythnig and it takes me a lot of energies...

Ameliaxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx



posted on Nov, 13 2004 @ 12:28 PM
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Let's just take some snapshots of American society today:

The media profit off violently criminal video games, and the Gummint says that's okay.

Sixty percent of internet traffic is in PORN for money. and that's okay.

Prisoners are now numbering over two million, and that's okay.

HAARP is affecting the ability of humans and animals to breathe; it causes massive nose-bleeds and asthma; and that's okay.

Aspartame causes brain swelling; fluoride truncates the connection between two brain halves; chlorine in water clogs the circulatory system; and that's all okay. Smallpox vaccines with mercury preservatives causing autism in children is okay.

Industrialists who peddle for influence are okay; executives that rip off the equity of their companies' stockholders are okay; inside traders that made money off the 911 attack are okay.

Halliburton's feeding spoiled food to the troops is okay; anthrax vaccinations that sideline and make soldiers' very sick is okay; depleted uranium nuclear war against our own soldiers is okay.

Global warming is okay; opening up more lands to resource-plunder is okay. Depleted uranium wasted lands in other nations is just their tough luck; it's okay.

All this is okay. Nobody is complaining loudly enough to be heard by Congress; or, Congress is on to another agenda. VIRTUALLY NOTHING IS BEING DONE TO CORRECT ANY OF THESE PROBLEMS. So, what do you think is going on, to make all this waste and slaughter okay?



posted on Nov, 13 2004 @ 05:19 PM
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Originally posted by Emily_Cragg
They had several techniques for shutting down a thread that were not illegal by the NYTIMES rules; and so that's what these guys did: fonghoul, bruced, massagattos.

1. Change the topic in the middle, to a completely irrelevant line of thought.
2. Two or more of them would get into a fight over the topic, that goes off in other directions.
3. Several of them would join a topic, and take turns calling the author by a list of insulting derogatory labels.
4. Dig up personal information about the author from other sources; and replace the topic with that personal information.
5. Threaten the author with physical harm.



Yea Emily!


...over the past three years I've seen the same techniques used most effectively to neutralize several fine forums. ...I've also seen some evidence of those tactics here, especially pre-election.


So, what do you think is going on, to make all this waste and slaughter okay?


...I think the eugenics depopulation program is proceeding according to plan, the old ruling class shortly will be re-instated, the world will return to a feudalistic structure and the NWO will begin (again).




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posted on Nov, 13 2004 @ 06:13 PM
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No, I don't think so; and let me tell you why not.

The planet is near planetary death; and the NWO has no compunctions about "omnicide"--killing everything indiscriminately.

DU is one example of their strategy that has no legal ethical basis.

So, I think we've come to the end of the road in terms of multi-lateral avarice. The Elites who have been milking the whole planet for their own benefit are now due for the final come-down.

The day of the Rothschilds and the Rockefellers and the Mellons and the Bush's and so on, is coming to a close.

They will bury themselves in their Safe Enclaves, and then God will shut the door on them permanently, so the rest of us can live free and give free.

That's what I think is gonna happen.

Really.

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posted on Nov, 13 2004 @ 06:28 PM
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Originally posted by Emily_Cragg


The planet is near planetary death; and the NWO has no compunctions about "omnicide"--killing everything indiscriminately.




I agree - we are in the middle of the 6th mass extinction and humans are on the list. Some will develop requisite immunities and survive. ...Agreed, the old ruling class is narrow-minded, shortsighted and downright dumb, but they expect to survive with the grace of technological intervention. ...Some will.

I do think they fully anticipate major upheaval - they've been looting and positioning to ride the storm - and plan to come out on top.

...o heck. I'm going to start a new thread under NWO to sketch my thesis/understanding - maybe you can crit? ...also , someone has a tracker on this thread. LOL. My system keeps telling me to reconnect. Dead giveaway.



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Pray for the dead, and fight like hell for the living.
"Every luxury must be paid for, and everything is a luxury, starting with the world."



posted on Nov, 14 2004 @ 01:04 PM
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You guys scare me!.....

I've read a lot on those subjects and that made me really depressed a few months ago...
The more I talk about it, the more it think it's all real and then it freaks me out and I stop thinking about it!
Then I started to go into spirituality and the real purpose of life

I'm really stressed because of ATS these days, I turns me to analyse everythnig and it takes me a lot of energies...

Ameliaxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx


Hey there Amelia
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Ask yourself truthfully: Is it us that scare you? Or is it the information and it's probability of being true that scares you?

I think you'll find it to be the latter. And it should scare you. It's good that it does! That's quite a bit more than most people who dismiss items out of hand, or "bury heads in sand". You can only avoid some things for so long, they eventually seek out us all.

It's good to have a fear of this stuff, but don't let that fear control you. You have to stand up to it, and be willing to follow the information wherever it goes.

Truth is never found in one source. Truth is a fiber, made up of many threads of truth.

Beware of anyone who tries to sell you only their version of truth. There is no one source of truth.

But you can find the pieces and put them together. Not all, but much.

My kindest thoughts to all those who are involved in this thread(now and hopefully to come) keep your minds free please. Someone has to question, or the future is doomed.

X



posted on Nov, 14 2004 @ 01:10 PM
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deal with this as if it has no legal or moral implications GIVES ME THE WILLIES.

They just treat the victims, and remain silent about the causes of psychological abuse. In fact, the Medical Profession is silent; the Judiciary is silent; Law Enforcement is silent; Congress is silent; and the Defense contractors who pay the salaries of contractors that do this to people [Wackenhut, for one] are silent.

What kind of Gulag has the United States of American BECOME, anyway?

How many people are making their living off suffering, torture and misery?

Yikes!



posted on Nov, 14 2004 @ 01:12 PM
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How many people are making their living off suffering, torture and misery?


You can attribute some form of human suffering to almost every situation in our society.


I like a lot of your mind Emily. I'm tossing a Way Above your way.


X



posted on Nov, 14 2004 @ 09:57 PM
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Uh... could you post at least a few more sections from the transcript? There's no way I'm going to read all that.



posted on Nov, 14 2004 @ 10:11 PM
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With all honesty and sincerity, in the United States a resounding, "Yes, it has been won!!!"





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