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Originally posted by ChaoticOrder
Originally posted by hariahinoz
When you present an actual argument to refute, I will.
Shut up and " get a job" is not an argument and my utilities rose and were taken over by corporates and rose to unlivable levels long before carbon tax even became an issue.
I did just give you a damn argument for christ sakes... so I gather you cannot refute my claim that there was dramatic increase in utility costs which coincided with the implementation of the carbon tax?
My argument was not "shut up and get a job", my argument was that having a less socialist and nannying government may be good for the economy, the most powerful economies in the world were based on heavy forms of free market capitalism.
Perhaps privatizing many of these power plants as Abbott plans to do could actually be a good thing because it will generate my healthy competition between the energy companies instead of the government being able to dictate the energy prices.
Just look what has happened to the price of an internet connection since the government privatized Telstra and got out of the telecommunications business. The prices have dropped dramatically and now Telstra has prices which are not way above all other businesses.edit on 7/9/2013 by ChaoticOrder because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by Shema
What's with all the negativism. Abbot represents the other side of the coin. Its their turn again and in the course of time it will be Labour's turn again. This is how it has ever been, nothing has changed. The Libs/Nats push the conservative agenda. So what? We shall survive. Only an idiot lets it get to him/her.
Originally posted by hariahinoz
Originally posted by Shema
What's with all the negativism. Abbot represents the other side of the coin. Its their turn again and in the course of time it will be Labour's turn again. This is how it has ever been, nothing has changed. The Libs/Nats push the conservative agenda. So what? We shall survive. Only an idiot lets it get to him/her.
Easy words spoken by the well fed.
Many won't survive to see another turn of the coin, though I guess most here would reduce that unnatural and unnecessary outcome to ' natural selection'.
Bye everyone who has sent notes of support. Thanks ats for the chance to say goodbye.
Good luck with that. I can only speak to what I know, and what I know is my bills rose long before carbon tax was implemented. I have already written this, already answered. CT made them worse, but they had already risen as it was the act of handing them to corporations that did it. Do be sure to research privatization and its actual affect on societies. Go ask Argentina how well it worked, see the US's societies for affect ,see the UK et al. They are dying. Last night we joined them in the order.
Originally posted by charles1952
I'm American, so ignore my comments. I looked at The Guardian election blog and saw three interesting things .
1.) The projection for seats was 91-54, Liberal - Labor.
2.) Their most recent vote count showed a 6% spread.
3.)
A Labor person said to me on Friday that there has been a lot of focus on the punchy frontpages of the News Corp-owned The Daily Telegraph in Sydney throughout this campaign - but the view in Labor was the punchy front pages of the Brisbane Courier Mail, in fact, inflicted far more damage.
www.theguardian.com...
It seems, to an outsider, that Australia really doesn't like Labor anymore, and it wasn't Murdoch's doing. I can understand the losing side saying, "We lost because of some nefarious plot. We can't really say the voters are stupid, because they voted us in half a dozen years ago, so it must be a hidden conspiracy."
There is a possibility that Labor supporters are right, but that position doesn't sound reasonable. Again, to an outsider, it sounds like poor losers unwilling to face their own shortcomings.
Originally posted by bellagirl
Originally posted by charles1952
I'm American, so ignore my comments. I looked at The Guardian election blog and saw three interesting things .
1.) The projection for seats was 91-54, Liberal - Labor.
2.) Their most recent vote count showed a 6% spread.
3.)
A Labor person said to me on Friday that there has been a lot of focus on the punchy frontpages of the News Corp-owned The Daily Telegraph in Sydney throughout this campaign - but the view in Labor was the punchy front pages of the Brisbane Courier Mail, in fact, inflicted far more damage.
www.theguardian.com...
It seems, to an outsider, that Australia really doesn't like Labor anymore, and it wasn't Murdoch's doing. I can understand the losing side saying, "We lost because of some nefarious plot. We can't really say the voters are stupid, because they voted us in half a dozen years ago, so it must be a hidden conspiracy."
There is a possibility that Labor supporters are right, but that position doesn't sound reasonable. Again, to an outsider, it sounds like poor losers unwilling to face their own shortcomings.
100% correct.
it really is just poor sportsmanship.
what i dont understand is its people who are saying how bad their life is...after 6 years of chaotic government....and they are sad they dont get 6 more years of the same.
its called change. if things are bad you change.
Originally posted by sir_slide
J What it means here, for us, is cuts to government, cuts to welfare, cuts to pretty much everything that doesnt benefit the 1%.
Originally posted by Amagnon
Originally posted by sir_slide
J What it means here, for us, is cuts to government, cuts to welfare, cuts to pretty much everything that doesnt benefit the 1%.
Though im Australian, I havent been there for quite a number of years - but I find it quite astonishing that you would consider cuts to govt and welfare as something to be concerned about?
Given only that information I would have to say it sounds very positive - smaller, weaker govt and less welfare has to be good unless its being counter balanced by something Im not aware of?
Originally posted by amraks
Their is a lot of factors why there was 3.51% swing but must of that swing was media related.
Originally posted by amraks
Originally posted by Amagnon
Originally posted by sir_slide
J What it means here, for us, is cuts to government, cuts to welfare, cuts to pretty much everything that doesnt benefit the 1%.
Though im Australian, I havent been there for quite a number of years - but I find it quite astonishing that you would consider cuts to govt and welfare as something to be concerned about?
Given only that information I would have to say it sounds very positive - smaller, weaker govt and less welfare has to be good unless its being counter balanced by something Im not aware of?
Cuts to welfare isn't good, its inhumane, you are insane.
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‘I think there does need to be give and take on both sides, and this idea that sex is kind of a woman’s right to absolutely withhold, just as the idea that sex is a man’s right to demand I think they are both they both need to be moderated, so to speak’
Originally posted by zazzafrazz
Prime minister Voldemort
Originally posted by bellagirl
Originally posted by amraks
Originally posted by Amagnon
Originally posted by sir_slide
J What it means here, for us, is cuts to government, cuts to welfare, cuts to pretty much everything that doesnt benefit the 1%.
Though im Australian, I havent been there for quite a number of years - but I find it quite astonishing that you would consider cuts to govt and welfare as something to be concerned about?
Given only that information I would have to say it sounds very positive - smaller, weaker govt and less welfare has to be good unless its being counter balanced by something Im not aware of?
Cuts to welfare isn't good, its inhumane, you are insane.
spoken like a true bludger who has probably been living off all my tax.