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So the Banksters and Globalists WON in Australia.

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posted on Sep, 7 2013 @ 11:49 PM
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What's with all the negativism. Abbot represents the other side of the coin. Its their turn again and in the course of time it will be Labour's turn again. This is how it has ever been, nothing has changed. The Libs/Nats push the conservative agenda. So what? We shall survive. Only an idiot lets it get to him/her.




posted on Sep, 7 2013 @ 11:49 PM
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Originally posted by ChaoticOrder

Originally posted by hariahinoz
When you present an actual argument to refute, I will.
Shut up and " get a job" is not an argument and my utilities rose and were taken over by corporates and rose to unlivable levels long before carbon tax even became an issue.

I did just give you a damn argument for christ sakes... so I gather you cannot refute my claim that there was dramatic increase in utility costs which coincided with the implementation of the carbon tax?

My argument was not "shut up and get a job", my argument was that having a less socialist and nannying government may be good for the economy, the most powerful economies in the world were based on heavy forms of free market capitalism.

Perhaps privatizing many of these power plants as Abbott plans to do could actually be a good thing because it will generate my healthy competition between the energy companies instead of the government being able to dictate the energy prices.

Just look what has happened to the price of an internet connection since the government privatized Telstra and got out of the telecommunications business. The prices have dropped dramatically and now Telstra has prices which are not way above all other businesses.
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Good luck with that. I can only speak to what I know, and what I know is my bills rose long before carbon tax was implemented. I have already written this, already answered. CT made them worse, but they had already risen as it was the act of handing them to corporations that did it. Do be sure to research privatization and its actual affect on societies. Go ask Argentina how well it worked, see the US's societies for affect ,see the UK et al. They are dying. Last night we joined them in the order. You are welcome to your rose coloured glass view of things. Free to have it,for as long as you are. I no longer *care*. You need hope to care.

I have nothing more to say, literally. During this election I was out there as an activist for the voiceless on radio, I stood in shopping centers on street corners tying to give people like you facts and show the ultimate cost of this new government, ' the majority' decided instead for devolving. YOU DIDN'T WANT FACTS. Or to accept that ONE child sleeping in a car on our watch is one too many.

Ironically, Queensland and NSW, the two states who voted for Liberals are the two states that needed Rudd's constructive and supportive social policies the most. Oh well. What is done is now done. Let them eat Abbott.

Welcome to your self chosen reality! Thanks for ...well...nothing!

Goodbye!



posted on Sep, 7 2013 @ 11:52 PM
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Originally posted by Shema


What's with all the negativism. Abbot represents the other side of the coin. Its their turn again and in the course of time it will be Labour's turn again. This is how it has ever been, nothing has changed. The Libs/Nats push the conservative agenda. So what? We shall survive. Only an idiot lets it get to him/her.


Easy words spoken by the well fed.
Many won't survive to see another turn of the coin, though I guess most here would reduce that unnatural and unnecessary outcome to ' natural selection'.

Bye everyone who has sent notes of support. Thanks ats for the chance to say goodbye.



posted on Sep, 8 2013 @ 12:03 AM
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Originally posted by hariahinoz

Originally posted by Shema


What's with all the negativism. Abbot represents the other side of the coin. Its their turn again and in the course of time it will be Labour's turn again. This is how it has ever been, nothing has changed. The Libs/Nats push the conservative agenda. So what? We shall survive. Only an idiot lets it get to him/her.


Easy words spoken by the well fed.
Many won't survive to see another turn of the coin, though I guess most here would reduce that unnatural and unnecessary outcome to ' natural selection'.

Bye everyone who has sent notes of support. Thanks ats for the chance to say goodbye.


.Well fed. Thanks for the laugh. But I do see where you are coming from, I came from there myself, thank god I arrived. You will too if you are lucky.



posted on Sep, 8 2013 @ 12:05 AM
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Good luck with that. I can only speak to what I know, and what I know is my bills rose long before carbon tax was implemented. I have already written this, already answered. CT made them worse, but they had already risen as it was the act of handing them to corporations that did it. Do be sure to research privatization and its actual affect on societies. Go ask Argentina how well it worked, see the US's societies for affect ,see the UK et al. They are dying. Last night we joined them in the order.

Yes of course the cost of power was rising before the carbon tax, but there was a dramatic spike which directly coincided with the implementation of the carbon tax. But I know without proof my words don't mean much, so I did a bit of research and pulled up some data to confirm what I am saying. The best I could find was a report titled Ai Group Survey: business pricing responses to Australia’s carbon tax, the first six months, but since it is only looking at the first six months it doesn't really show the full scope and depth of the impact of the carbon tax, however the following graph taken from the report does clearly show you that there was a sharp rise in energy prices which coincides with the implementation of the carbon tax.



And btw... the UK and the US have been moving towards more and more heavy forms of socialism for the last several decades. The UK is now one of the most extreme nanny states on the face of this Earth, it's also got the most ridiculous laws, like internet censors by default and TV licenses, and CCTV cameras around every corner. You are the one living in a fantasy land my friend.
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posted on Sep, 8 2013 @ 12:16 AM
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Originally posted by charles1952
I'm American, so ignore my comments. I looked at The Guardian election blog and saw three interesting things .

1.) The projection for seats was 91-54, Liberal - Labor.
2.) Their most recent vote count showed a 6% spread.
3.)

A Labor person said to me on Friday that there has been a lot of focus on the punchy frontpages of the News Corp-owned The Daily Telegraph in Sydney throughout this campaign - but the view in Labor was the punchy front pages of the Brisbane Courier Mail, in fact, inflicted far more damage.


www.theguardian.com...

It seems, to an outsider, that Australia really doesn't like Labor anymore, and it wasn't Murdoch's doing. I can understand the losing side saying, "We lost because of some nefarious plot. We can't really say the voters are stupid, because they voted us in half a dozen years ago, so it must be a hidden conspiracy."

There is a possibility that Labor supporters are right, but that position doesn't sound reasonable. Again, to an outsider, it sounds like poor losers unwilling to face their own shortcomings.







100% correct.

it really is just poor sportsmanship.

what i dont understand is its people who are saying how bad their life is...after 6 years of chaotic government....and they are sad they dont get 6 more years of the same.

its called change. if things are bad you change.



posted on Sep, 8 2013 @ 01:09 AM
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Originally posted by bellagirl

Originally posted by charles1952
I'm American, so ignore my comments. I looked at The Guardian election blog and saw three interesting things .

1.) The projection for seats was 91-54, Liberal - Labor.
2.) Their most recent vote count showed a 6% spread.
3.)

A Labor person said to me on Friday that there has been a lot of focus on the punchy frontpages of the News Corp-owned The Daily Telegraph in Sydney throughout this campaign - but the view in Labor was the punchy front pages of the Brisbane Courier Mail, in fact, inflicted far more damage.


www.theguardian.com...

It seems, to an outsider, that Australia really doesn't like Labor anymore, and it wasn't Murdoch's doing. I can understand the losing side saying, "We lost because of some nefarious plot. We can't really say the voters are stupid, because they voted us in half a dozen years ago, so it must be a hidden conspiracy."

There is a possibility that Labor supporters are right, but that position doesn't sound reasonable. Again, to an outsider, it sounds like poor losers unwilling to face their own shortcomings.







100% correct.

it really is just poor sportsmanship.

what i dont understand is its people who are saying how bad their life is...after 6 years of chaotic government....and they are sad they dont get 6 more years of the same.

its called change. if things are bad you change.


It wasn't Rudds it was Gillards fault rudd never got much of a go in power. Julia made our life bad not Rudd.
Now we have Tony Murdoch as PM. All the lies put out by the media made Abbott look like the best choice.
There was lots of negative stuff about Tony but the media left that out to get what they wanted. The voters who don't really know much about politics, just follow a trend of people who feel as if they don't vote what their friends are voting makes them a social out cast. Facebook is a example of social approval.

Their is a lot of factors why there was 3.51% swing but must of that swing was media related.



posted on Sep, 8 2013 @ 01:20 AM
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Originally posted by sir_slide
J What it means here, for us, is cuts to government, cuts to welfare, cuts to pretty much everything that doesnt benefit the 1%.


Though im Australian, I havent been there for quite a number of years - but I find it quite astonishing that you would consider cuts to govt and welfare as something to be concerned about?

Given only that information I would have to say it sounds very positive - smaller, weaker govt and less welfare has to be good unless its being counter balanced by something Im not aware of?



posted on Sep, 8 2013 @ 01:27 AM
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we can go back and forth but i dont agree.

rudd was a bad prime minister. labor panicked because he was such a bad prime minister with the deaths due to the pink batt scheme and the building school revolution etc etc etc. they panicked and put gillard in. rudd then spent years undermining her and she did herself no favours with the "there will be no carbon tax under a government i lead". they panicked again when it looked like they would lose so many seats and put rudd back. we are talking REAL stability here now folks.

you now want the majority to accept that we were not smart enough to see what was happening. that is frigging laughable. you are now saying that murdoch told us all who to vote for and we blindly said "yeah rupert..we will do what you want". again....laughable considering a small majority of population even reads tabloid newspapers.

have you even listened to any of the top labor officials since the election was called. ????

did you hear what bob hawke said ????? poor ole hawke was ASHAMED.

i am a swinging voter , you obviously are not. hawke is probably the greatest labor pm ever who i voted for numerous times.

even hawkey was cringing last night after rudd spoke. rudd showed in that what an ungrateful, self centered deluded little piece of crap he really is. all over the media today is key labor people saying we deserved what we got.

abbott won......rudd lost...the frigging fat lady is singing at the top of her voice for you one eyed rudd loving brainwashed people to hear and you still can not accept it.

The majority has spoken....they made up their own minds....they did not vote because some stupid media mogul told them too. pfffft....give us more credit than that.

end of rant. now please can you let me bask in the peaceful sounds of unity and stability.



posted on Sep, 8 2013 @ 01:28 AM
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Originally posted by Amagnon

Originally posted by sir_slide
J What it means here, for us, is cuts to government, cuts to welfare, cuts to pretty much everything that doesnt benefit the 1%.


Though im Australian, I havent been there for quite a number of years - but I find it quite astonishing that you would consider cuts to govt and welfare as something to be concerned about?

Given only that information I would have to say it sounds very positive - smaller, weaker govt and less welfare has to be good unless its being counter balanced by something Im not aware of?


Cuts to welfare isn't good, its inhumane, you are insane.



posted on Sep, 8 2013 @ 01:36 AM
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Originally posted by amraks
Their is a lot of factors why there was 3.51% swing but must of that swing was media related.


No, there was a swing because of 6 years of labor stuff ups - things like 50,000 illegal boat people, over 1,000 illegal boat people dead, and constant lies from Gillard and Rudd.

Labor's election campaign consisted of labor just constantly whining AbbottAbbottAbbott

Labor only have themselves to blame - but of course labor cannot accept any blame, it must be someone elses fault.



posted on Sep, 8 2013 @ 01:36 AM
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Originally posted by amraks

Originally posted by Amagnon

Originally posted by sir_slide
J What it means here, for us, is cuts to government, cuts to welfare, cuts to pretty much everything that doesnt benefit the 1%.


Though im Australian, I havent been there for quite a number of years - but I find it quite astonishing that you would consider cuts to govt and welfare as something to be concerned about?

Given only that information I would have to say it sounds very positive - smaller, weaker govt and less welfare has to be good unless its being counter balanced by something Im not aware of?


Cuts to welfare isn't good, its inhumane, you are insane.



spoken like a true bludger who has probably been living off all my tax.



posted on Sep, 8 2013 @ 01:39 AM
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well.....hello hellobruce and it good to see another sane person on here who saw it for what it was.

your post was like music to my ears.

they just dont get it.



posted on Sep, 8 2013 @ 01:43 AM
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tell me what welfare is being cut.....name one pension that is going to be cut.

your own party has slammed single mothers by moving them to newstart and costing them over $150 a fortnight and putting many of them on the breadline and forcing them to become homeless. THAT WAS A GILLARD POLICY.

now ... tell me what welfare has abbott cut in the last 20 hours. ??????????????????????????????



posted on Sep, 8 2013 @ 02:14 AM
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I don't know anyone that voted lib,and they don't know anyone who voted lib either
but they won so id have to say your right.



posted on Sep, 8 2013 @ 02:18 AM
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I don't really know this guy.

But If he is anti handouts then he is not pro globalists. Globalist seek to use socialism to enslave the country in debt. Fact that the government can not pay for handouts is the reason the banksters win by enslaving the country in debt. Self sufficiency is the enemy of the globalist.



posted on Sep, 8 2013 @ 02:38 AM
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Prime minister Voldemort



posted on Sep, 8 2013 @ 02:38 AM
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To say I'm upset is a bit of an understatement. That guy is just... a cretin. Here is a link from a thread I posted a few months back, since updated. 20 quotes from Tony Abbott to remind you why he shoundn't be prime minister

As a woman, these are the two quotes that make my blood boil.




‘I think it would be folly to expect that women will ever dominate or even approach equal representation in a large number of areas simply because their aptitudes, abilities and interests are different for physiological reasons’




‘I think there does need to be give and take on both sides, and this idea that sex is kind of a woman’s right to absolutely withhold, just as the idea that sex is a man’s right to demand I think they are both they both need to be moderated, so to speak’


I am honestly disappointed in those I know that voted for Abbott. I didn't think anyone did, and the gloating on Facebook last night bought it out in some, and I'm surprised. I thought women my age (27-30) would know better than to give this misogynist power.

I'm hoping his term will be just enough to get the people who fell for his BS angry and on board with the rest of us, so next election, we can see REAL change happen. Until then, the little guy gets sh** on.



posted on Sep, 8 2013 @ 02:39 AM
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Originally posted by zazzafrazz
Prime minister Voldemort


Basically - except voldemort being more attractive. (yes, it's possible) There's no ralph fiennes hiding behind abbott



posted on Sep, 8 2013 @ 02:41 AM
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Originally posted by bellagirl

Originally posted by amraks

Originally posted by Amagnon

Originally posted by sir_slide
J What it means here, for us, is cuts to government, cuts to welfare, cuts to pretty much everything that doesnt benefit the 1%.


Though im Australian, I havent been there for quite a number of years - but I find it quite astonishing that you would consider cuts to govt and welfare as something to be concerned about?

Given only that information I would have to say it sounds very positive - smaller, weaker govt and less welfare has to be good unless its being counter balanced by something Im not aware of?


Cuts to welfare isn't good, its inhumane, you are insane.



spoken like a true bludger who has probably been living off all my tax.


Oh ffs Bellagirl, YOUR tax - thats all anyone who despises those on centrelink talks like. MY tax, MY money. I hope you never have to seek help from the government when needed.




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