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Japan declares 'nuclear emergency' after quake - PART 2

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posted on Feb, 5 2014 @ 06:09 PM
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I said it once, I will say it again....... frozen wall + flowing water = Dam..... do you know what happens when you build a dam across flowing water? Ask a beaver.... they know all about it.

The only way a frozen wall would work is if they are able to divert the underground water that flows down from the mountains... that would be a monumental task in of itself.




posted on Feb, 5 2014 @ 08:21 PM
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Don't think about a Beaver-Dam,
see it as a Beaver-Lodge!

Imo. they should build a Channel or 2 Windmills
like in Holland.



posted on Feb, 5 2014 @ 08:30 PM
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it would make more sense to me if the "frozen wall" was more than just a square built around the 4 reactors...... the back wall, facing the mountains, should not be at a 180 degree angle to the water flow..... it makes more sense to me that the back wall should come to a point, that way the water flow would split and flow on by to the sides.... kinda in this shape (^) on the backside



posted on Feb, 5 2014 @ 09:52 PM
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I just "Recommended" you to do this

In my opinion it is dangerous to repeat wrong Information on and on
because many People just look for the Headlinez and believe in it
without realizing that the Case/ Truth is different
Yes, where I come from, many people are used to recommeding folks do one thing or another. Control is what recommending is all about NOT being helpful. Recognise it for what it is and do not be deceived.

Repeating wrong information is what the Japanese government were most anxious to avoid. So anxious in fact, that they recriuited people to joing forums and threads like these to 'educate' the people how wrong the information was. In a previous post, as requested, I have already shown you all where and when this was done. This is what is happening here and even the same language is being parroted without change and it kind of gives it all away and we can clearly see the agendas behind all these pro-Japan government and pro-nuclear industry posts.

Human, in order to see the truth, you have to follow the money and determine the agenda.

There is a huge nuclear industry, which is embedded within the national defence program of every country. In order to produce nuclear weapons each country has to purify its plutonium into weapons-grade plutonium and this plutonium is produced at nuclear power stations. This means that it is not possible to open the doors to these Fukushima nuclear facilities to the world - or even to "friends" because you never know when your friends are going to turn against you in the future. This is the problem we have at the moment. The Japanese government do not want anyone else poking about in their nuclear facilities and in particular, in Fukushima Daiichi.

This is why they are trying to spin everything to be less dangerous, less harmful, and this is why their reporting is downplaying the seriousness of the whole situation. Following the money and determining the agenda shows that this is so and Human, by continuing to trot out pro-nuclear incorrect information you are helping to kill your countrymen, not only them - but us all as well. Understand what you are doing and the seriousness of it. These are your kids, your parents and grandparents.

At least if people are made aware of the dangers they can prepare and become informed of the health issues likely to come knocking at their door.

Now I know we are at war. We are having an information war where one side is hell-bent on downplaying the seriousness of Fukushima because their national security is at risk. The stakes are so high that everything will be done to keep the rest of the world in the dark about what was going on. Of course, all the other countries governments know they are at war and the game being played. They are using all their best covert techniques to find out the truth, but they dont care to expose you either since they are doing similar things at their nuclear facilities. The type and design of reactor is common throughout the world and flaws found in the Fuku reactors are going to be mirrored elsewhere too. Many are built on fault lines and many close to the sea where they are vulnerable to tsunami and earthquakes - whether man-made or natural.



posted on Feb, 6 2014 @ 12:03 AM
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This is the reason for the added Picture,
the Plant itself is not a Kilometre long Dam but just a tiny Island,
as far as i remember the length is ca. 400m only
but i understand your Opinion.


(post by Human0815 removed for a manners violation)

posted on Feb, 7 2014 @ 04:13 AM
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Fukushima and Ocean Radioactivity


ABSTRACT.
The triple disaster of the March 11, 2011, earthquake, tsunami, and
subsequent radiation releases from Japan’s Fukushima Dai-ichi nuclear power plant
were unprecedented events for the ocean and society.

In this article, the radioactive releases from this event are compared
to natural and prior human sources,
with particular attention to cesium-137 and -134 radioisotopes.

Total releases from Fukushima are not well constrained,
with estimates from atmospheric fallout and direct ocean discharge
spanning 4 to 90 peta Becquerels (PBq), but are most likely in the 15–30 PBq range.

This source is smaller than any 137 Cs remaining in the North Pacific
from global and close-in fallout from the 1960s.

It is of similar magnitude to 137 Cs released to the ocean from
the Sellafield nuclear reprocessing site on the Irish Sea,
though of greater magnitude than fallout that reached the ocean from
the 1986 Chernobyl nuclear power plant disaster in the Ukraine.

The fate of Cs is largely determined by its soluble nature in seawater,
though uptake in sediments does occur via cesium’s association
with both detrital particles and biological uptake and sedimentation.

A mass balance of Cs supply from rivers and ongoing leakage
from nuclear power plants suggests that sediments will remain contaminated for
decades.

This may be one reason why Cs concentrations in benthic fish stay elevated
over predictions, causing fisheries to remain closed near Fukushima and ongoing
concern to the public

Source

It is a huge File but deliver a lot of Background Information.

This is a Pre-Release from the next Oceanography Magazine.
edit on 7-2-2014 by Human0815 because: format



posted on Feb, 7 2014 @ 12:00 PM
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Japan has received around 200 international suggestions
on concepts to remove the remains of the Fukushima Daiichi reactor cores.



Facing the unprecedented task of cleaning up three destroyed reactors, Japan created the International Research Institute for Nuclear Decommissioning (IRID) to bring the best of global nuclear industry practice to the problem. It launched a request for information last year and between December 2013 and January 2014 the world's nuclear clean-up specialists submitted some 200 ideas.

IRID will now use a special team as well as outside experts to analyse and sort the submissions by the end of March. Some will be selected and taken forward as the basis for conceptual studies and requests for proposals. Planning the fuel removal and the developing the tools to do it is expected to take until around 2020.

Different computer models have been used by Tepco and the Japan Atomic Energy Agency to analyse the positions of the cores, coming to the same conclusion for unit 1. Both models predict that all 77 tonnes of the fuel from unit 1 melted and passed from the reactor vessel to the drywell area immediately below. At units 2 and 3 the models differed but together indicated that 30-40% of their 107-tonne cores remain in the vessels, the rest in the drywell.


Subject to revision in light of the suggestions IRID has received, Tepco's outline plan to tackle the debris is to flood the containment vessels and reach down their full length from the top to remotely handle the remains. Work over this distance of 25-35 metres requires advanced measurement tools such as cameras and laser scanners as well as temperature, pressure and radiation monitors. All of these must operate reliably underwater in a very high radiation environment.

Tepco also noted that the steel structures below the reactor vessel are very complex. Each vessel also has up to 200 penetrations, while the space between the reactor vessel and containment vessel is cramped and therefore a challenging place to install any new machinery.

World-Nuclear

It is going forward in Fukushima,
i am really curious what kind of Ideas they got!

A Graphic:


edit on 7-2-2014 by Human0815 because: graphic



posted on Feb, 8 2014 @ 04:53 AM
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Do you know how many bequerels of any/all isotopes are being released per day? I would like to know what release figures you are using/have access to.



posted on Feb, 8 2014 @ 05:19 AM
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As far as i remember something in the range of
ca. 600- 750.000.000 Bq a Day for all three Reactors
and atmospheric Release!

(600-750 Mio Bq. a Day)

www.abovetopsecret.com...
for more Info!
edit on 8-2-2014 by Human0815 because: (no reason given)



posted on Feb, 8 2014 @ 05:35 AM
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Human0815
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As far as i remember something in the range of
ca. 600- 750.000.000 Bq a Day for all three Reactors
and atmospheric Release!

(600-750 Mio Bq. a Day)

www.abovetopsecret.com...
for more Info!
edit on 8-2-2014 by Human0815 because: (no reason given)
The figures I have been using are significantly lower(only about 30% of the above numbers). Do you what % of your figures are cesium-other isotopes?



posted on Feb, 8 2014 @ 06:08 AM
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Where your Numbers are from?

My amount is for Caesium 134/137 and three other but i forgot which one,
better you look in that Report because i don't want to provide wrong Information!

Regards



posted on Feb, 8 2014 @ 06:24 AM
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I have been using numbers that are somewhat conservative for my calculations. The main reason for this is that the information being released is usually outdated by the time it is published.



posted on Feb, 8 2014 @ 06:29 AM
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TEPCO Does Not Lie...They Just Massively Screw Up

Yeah right...

enenews.com... ocean-160000-times-limit-actual-levels-had-exceed

www3.nhk.or.jp...

- Purple Chive



posted on Feb, 8 2014 @ 09:44 PM
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In a nutshell, concise and without waffle, I wonder if we could have the full list of radioactive isotopes being released from Fukushima Daiichi and the amounts of each? ie valid data.

The problem we all have is, who to believe?

One side which has massive amount to lose if they report the true and correct figures they are measuring, the side who has in the past taken incorrect readings, or misread scales, or made other mistakes.

The other the side wants to persuade us to give up nuclear power because it is very dangerous for everything.

Maybe we should take data from both sides and average it out, but we would still be far from the truth.

The value of data is in the belief that it is accurate and where that belief does not exist, then the data is useless, meaningless and cannot be from a credible source. Japan scientists are professional enough to get the measurements correct when they want to, when they want to publish papers in science magazines so why all these Fukushima data mistakes and errors which we have seen in the past.

If it is TEPCO employees doing the measurements, they why? Surely this disaster is large enough and important enough to get proper scientists to produce valid data for the rest of the world and their own families too? There should be no errors, no mistakes. Asian people are one of the most meticulous and attention-to-detail folks on the planet, I cannot believe that if they wanted to, they would get some correct data readings.

This has to mean that someone is massaging the figures as we suspect. That is the way I look at it. What other way is there, given the data mess-ups, documents and picture shenanigans we have seen from the official releases?



posted on Feb, 8 2014 @ 11:17 PM
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You may do not know how difficult the detection and measurements of
Strontium 89/90 is in Reality?

Do get a idea please visit:
This Link

It is Ontopic and the Methode is not that different!

Get a Clue and develop Respect because Tepco is mostly right!



posted on Feb, 8 2014 @ 11:37 PM
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Get a Clue and develop Respect because Tepco is mostly right!


Respect the company that was not prepared for mother nature. Respect the company that has lied and hid data since this began. Tepco is mostly right?

Tepco has only one thought at this time and that is how to avoid being sued out of existence and how to spend as little as possible. Tepco and the Japanese Government are lying through their teeth. They enact legislation to muzzle free speech and other Governments, most notably the US are quietly raising the levels of 'acceptable' radiation exposure.

Respect? Not bloody likely!

P



posted on Feb, 8 2014 @ 11:42 PM
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You may do not know how difficult the detection and measurements of
Strontium 89/90 is in Reality?
I am sure it is possible with the correct equipment and why do you single out this one out of the many? I asked for a ful list of isotopes and measurements, so concentrating on one or two is just as bad as concentrating on cesium or iodine. It does not give us the whole picture.

By "Mostly", I suppose you mean over 50% but 50% truth is not what is required. Where the lives of many people are concerned, we need the truth to be as true as we can get it. Anything less is going to be paid for in deaths.



posted on Feb, 9 2014 @ 12:49 AM
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Because you mentioned a wrong Measurement
and actually it is a Measurement of Strontium-90
which is wrong?

Also Tepco provided the results of more than 25 different
Radioactive Emitter!
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posted on Feb, 9 2014 @ 01:31 AM
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Tepco is just a Tool,
used by People like you (and me) as a Provider for a smooth Living!

Tepco is living because of People like you (and me),
you delegated your Responsibility to them!

We need to see how you act and how you are living
to decide if you are living in Compliance with your
demanded Ethic or if you are just ranting!

And one more Time:
the "secrecy Law" have nothing to do with the Accident in Fukushima!



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