reply to post by ServantOfTheLamb
So in order to say the universe didn't have a Creator, you must BELIEVE(using faith) that we are here by chance and that the universe created you
Actually no I don't. You are creating a false dichotomy between a specific scientific hypothesis regarding the origin of the Universe and the idea of
a creator. There are many other options that can be considered, here are just a few:
1. The Universe is eternal and recreates itself using a big bang - big crunch cycle. It has always existed and thus the idea of literal nothing is a
nonsensical abstract concept similar to the idea of perfection.
2. The Universe is a simulation created by advanced intelligent beings who are not gods.
3. The Universe is Solid State and there are alternative explanations for the evidence that supports the Big Bang.
4. The Universe was created when the Doctor, a time traveler from another planet, rebooted it.
Now I'm no physicist so when Krauss talks I tend to just scratch my head. I do accept the Big Bang, we have plenty of evidence for that, for the fact
that all matter and energy were condensed into a singularity and than expanded rapidly. Beyond that I am not confident or qualified enough to say
anything on the subject.
I will say, in regards to the God hypothesis, versus the idea that the Universe created itself, that the latter makes far more sense and does not
require faith. To invoke God you are adding an extra element to reality, the supernatural, that Krauss and his fellow scientists have not invoked.
And yes the Universe "created" us. Life is merely complex chemistry, a function of the way things work, no different than stars forming in stellar
nurseries or canyons carved by a river. Is it so hard to believe that majesty, complexity and the beauty of the cosmos might exist without invoking
magic? I don't know where the Universe came from but some ancient backwards deity who wanted people stoned for saying his name at the wrong time and
working on Saturdays isn't the answer just as Zeus wasn't the answer to lightning before him.
In cases where there is no clear answer doubt trumps unjustified certainty every time. And if you try to tell me that I merely have faith in doubt,
than you've just run out of rhetorical tricks and semantic games to make atheists seem just as deluded as you
edit on 6-9-2013 by
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