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Originally posted by Specimen
I have very little concern about New Age believes, but I can tell there trouble. As far as im concerned, New Age has little steam in it engine to be actually "ATTACKED".
Originally posted by Itisnowagain
Division is conflict.
How is it working for you?
If you have something to share then share but I do not see the need to invent a group of people to attack as a platform for you beliefs.
post by swanne
No, this is not an opposition to New Age Religion. In fact I approve of this religion, as it's one of the few remaining religions which actually seems to be open-minded about both science and spirituality, and I applaud its efforts to promote morality, science, but also love and peace.
Originally posted by Itisnowagain
Originally posted by swanne
Perfection may never be achieved in reality, but it must never be given up as (at least) a distant goal.
Reality is perfect but there seems to be something separate from it that judges it.
There is only ever what is actually happening and the happening is presently happening. The idea that it is not perfect happens because there is a belief in more than there is.
A 'goal' is a projection outside of what is - 'goals' imply that you are incomplete - that this is incomplete.
This is complete and you are not separate from it. It is the idea that there is more than there is that makes you feel conflicted and that hides the love and peace that is ever present.
Originally posted by Itisnowagain
reply to post by swanne
What is it that you believe new agers believe?
Originally posted by swanne
Originally posted by Itisnowagain
Originally posted by swanne
Perfection may never be achieved in reality, but it must never be given up as (at least) a distant goal.
Reality is perfect but there seems to be something separate from it that judges it.
There is only ever what is actually happening and the happening is presently happening. The idea that it is not perfect happens because there is a belief in more than there is.
A 'goal' is a projection outside of what is - 'goals' imply that you are incomplete - that this is incomplete.
This is complete and you are not separate from it. It is the idea that there is more than there is that makes you feel conflicted and that hides the love and peace that is ever present.
These are very nice points. Well though, and really thought-provoking. I would love to discuss these with you.
Unfortunately, it seems you don't like my counter-arguments. It seems you're feeling harmed each time I reply.
Originally posted by swanne
Originally posted by Itisnowagain
reply to post by swanne
What is it that you believe new agers believe?
I know they believe in the incorrect observation principle... see, I have friends who are New Agers!
edit on 7-9-2013 by swanne because: (no reason given)
Its central precepts have been described as "drawing on both Eastern and Western spiritual and metaphysical traditions and infusing them with influences from self-help and motivational psychology, holistic health, parapsychology, consciousness research and quantum physics.
Originally posted by swanne
I know they believe in the incorrect observation principle... see, I have New Ager friends, and I was a new agers a couple of years ago.
Originally posted by Itisnowagain
I am not harmed or offended by any response.
How will it ever be proved that something can appear without there being an observer?
Originally posted by swanne
How will it ever be proved that something can appear without there being an observer?
A camera is placed behind a subject in a closed room with no windows. The camera only catches the back of the model, and the model cannot see the camera. BUT... a monitor is linked to the camera. This monitor is placed in front of the model. If the camera's lens cease existing when the model stops looking at the camera, then how come the monitor still shows the back of the model in the monitor?
Originally posted by Itisnowagain
Right now what is behind you is not appearing in your field of vision - it is not 'appearing' to exist. If the pc monitor is acting like a mirror and you claim that you can see behind you - it is actually appearing to exist in you.
Can anything appear to exist without you being there?
Science also has much of the answers.
You see... Searching is being... because without a quest, there is no point in "being" in the first place...
A camera is placed behind a subject in a closed room with no windows. The camera only catches the back of the model, and the model cannot see the camera. BUT... a monitor is linked to the camera. This monitor is placed in front of the model. If the camera's lens cease existing when the model stops looking at the camera, then how come the monitor still shows the back of the model in the monitor?
Originally posted by swanne
reply to post by InhaleExhale
Hm, BTW I would like to know what you think about the Camera argument which I presented in favour of non-conscious existence of the universe?
A camera is placed behind a subject in a closed room with no windows. The camera only catches the back of the model, and the model cannot see the camera. BUT... a monitor is linked to the camera. This monitor is placed in front of the model. If the camera's lens cease existing when the model stops looking at the camera, then how come the monitor still shows the back of the model in the monitor?edit on 8-9-2013 by swanne because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by InhaleExhale
If the model cannot see the camera, how can it stop looking at something it cannot see?
Originally posted by swanne
Originally posted by InhaleExhale
If the model cannot see the camera, how can it stop looking at something it cannot see?
Very good reply
But, the model can neither start looking at something she doesn't see. Thus the camera isn't supposed to come into existence at all in the first place...
edit on 8-9-2013 by swanne because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by InhaleExhale
Things exist when we are aware of them, (be it just the knowledge or if your imagination is detailed enough) it matter not if we are looking at or seeing them.
This is just my philosophical understanding of a quantum world we are in symbiosis with
A wave function or wavefunction is a mathematical tool used in quantum mechanics. It is a function typically of space or momentum or spin and possibly of time that returns the probability amplitude of a position or momentum for a subatomic particle.
What really bugs me, and this is kind of what I wanted to point out in my OP, is this: Quantum Theory itself states than quantum wavefunction only applies to subatomic particles, nothing larger.
This is because anything larger than atoms, including stable atoms, behave exactly as predicted by classical mechanics.