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Originally posted by Soylent Green Is People
Originally posted by HomerinNC
Originally posted by eriktheawful
Ah too bad.
From your thread title:
"What do you need to survive on Mars? Shelter, food, liquid. Part 1: Shelter"
I got excited to think it was going to be a thread about what humans would need to colonize Mars (especially since you used the pronoun "you" in your thread title).
Only to find it's another Mars "Rock" thread.
All the shapes do look interesting. No, I do not think they are anything but rocks.
Wish you luck with the thread.
See, thats what I thought as well, I might just start a thread with THAT premise
That's the thread I was expecting, also.
Maybe you (or someone) should create a thread like that...HOWEVER, the shelter (plus food and water) needed on Mars for a manned mission is only half the battle of the mission. There is also the "shelter" (spacecraft), food, and water that would be required for the trip to Mars and the trip back.
and it seems I will need that luck.
Wish you luck with the thread.
It has to do with brain size and density.
we go with what we know until we find something that we don't know.
Yes, but adaption has made your dog so much better at smelling its food than you.
For example, while I might be vastly more intelligent than one of my dogs, my dog is vastly more intelligent than a tree.
There are skeletons of a race of giants which no longer exist on Earth, so I doubt very much whether brain size and density with respect to body size has anything to do with it. Look at pygmies are they more intelligent than normal-sized people? What about dwarfism? If this was the case you would have large human brains in small human bodies as beings who were more intelligent than others.
There are still some arguments about brain size (sperm whales brains are much larger than ours), but also about brain size to body ratios.However, the fact remains that here on earth, the smaller the brain, the smaller the density, meaning the less amount of synapsis connections to make.
And you cannot conceive of micro-sized physical body structures?
Given a being only 3 inches tall, their brain would be only so many millimeters in size. Not a lot of room for those connections.
Yes, I can see that. It IS hard for some people on here.
So it's hard for most people to accept the idea of really small aliens that are intelligent enough to build structures based on what we know.
NO - science does it all the time. Rilles are an example and accepted fact of Moon physical structure. Proclamations of features on other worlds and planetry bodies are done based on what? please dont tell me that they are all based on other data. The flybys of rocks flying through space are all done on photographs. The optical (not radio) telescopic discoveries of our universe are all done with photographs.
Using shapes in a photograph that LOOK like something, and then claiming it's evidence for something else to exist is......well, poor science.
Yes, we have a rich diverse environment. Far richer than other planets. What is good enough for science is good enough for me too on here. Our whole understanding of other planets began with a drawing and then a photograph.
But only a shape in a picture? Not going to be good enough I'm afraid. Especially with all the examples we have here on Earth of rocks that can look like so many things.
No, I dont want 'yes' men either. However, I AM asking them to look at the evidence and maybe say... "Hmm, that looks strange, maybe we can find other examples of the same shape in other parts" (which I have done for you all) But so far I see no investigative thought going on at all, only "that does not fit in with accepted science, so I will dismiss it" I have argued why this is bad science above.
However, you can't ask for just people that agree with you to post. What good is a room full of "yes" men?
Honey, I love you too, unfortunately I am not a flag-whore, so flags mean little to me - but thanks anyway. However the animal looking out of its shelter is NOT just a rock. or maybe you missed that?
Ah Sweetie, I'm so sorry, I gave you a flag and everything for your effort and your enthusiasm.
But sometimes a rock is just a rock.
reply to post by OccamsRazor04
How could these rocks (or tents even) shelter anything from the environments of Mars?
Well you could stay in the shade because we know how hot it gets on Mars.
Really? Why would they need more than a shelter to live on Mars? Impact or explosions do not create similar-shaped pieces. Next try to make it fit your beliefs please. At least I have found similar examples for my evidence.
I can see the tent shape, but you need more then a tent to live on mars, especially if your tent is made of a solid rock. Lots of other rocks in the pictures resemble the same common shape, my guess is whatever caused them broke them in a similar shape. Some sort of impact or explosion.
I believe the hottest it gets on Mars is less than 25C. It gets much colder which is what would cause a problem for humans. It would be like being in the antarctic and colder - and you know how bad we are at managing there. Aliens on the other hand could probably hack it and they may even be cold-blooded perhaps.
Ok, so what features and characteristics would we see if anything lived on Mars?
Even if the temperature was bearable, the low atmospheric pressure would be deadly to humans who were not wearing a pressure suit.