ATS is about Denying Ignorance, Not Embracing It

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posted on Sep, 4 2013 @ 07:01 PM
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I'm sorry, but this has to be said.

I haven't seen one single thread that is worthy of a 'conspiracy' forum regarding the coming Congress vote on Syria.

Is anybody paying attention to the pieces on the chess board or the dynamics in play?

To sum up ATS' collective opinion-

"Congress sells out, America starts military intervention in Syria. Down with the government blah blah blah..."

It isn't going to be so obvious. People talk about the 'sheeple' yet ATS has this collective 'opinion' and far too many of you are on this this engineered (yes, engineered) anti-government bandwagon - I'm not here to support government and what they do, but I am here to tell you that British MP's have already voted against military intervention, the first time British parliament has vetoed a military deployment in over 200 years! Doesn't this at least get you thinking?

10 years ago, it was easy to sell the Iraq war to the masses and politicians to support a war. But the lies are harder to sell in the Age of Information and the average Congress member is well aware (as the people are) that America cannot afford another war, nor is a military intervention going to help America. The media and political voices have polarised the opinions for and against SO CLEARLY that only complete insanity could launch a military strike to help Islamic extremist rebels. This has been done on purpose.

It is clear that Congress will oppose this call for a military strike. It is a set up. I'm amazed that no one has picked up on how obvious it is. It has zero international backing, Russia will not idly sit by, the mainstream media has acted in a way that the American people oppose it! I'll repeat, this is a set up to allow a democratic vote to take place and for America to appear as upholding democratic values both on the domestic and international stage.

In no way will this push for the removal of the Syrian regime stop. It merely shows that the great conspiracy taking place comes from behind the scenes, the vast majority of politicians will act in support of the general consensus of the citizenry and this being put to a vote is being done on purpose as a set up for future events that will occur and allow America to act on a military scale but in a way that has more international backing.

This Congress vote is mere political intrigue, painting a very clear picture for the official narrative-

- America had evidence of Assad using chemical weapons

- America as a democracy voted against acting on this evidence because they did not want another military campaign

- We're all too familiar with 'Appeasement' in history (Hitler and World War II)

- Americans will be shown that in the future, it is best to let Obama and co act without votes, as they know what it best for America, just look at what happened when they appeased Assad after he used chemical weapons against his own people.

I'm truly dissapointed that ATS, as a CONSPIRACY FORUM, has not been aware of this political charades taking place.

edit on 4-9-2013 by Wonderer2012 because: (no reason given)




posted on Sep, 4 2013 @ 07:11 PM
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Wonderer

To be honest I think the conspiracy has been missed entirely and that the babble over what the US is going to do is just a cover.

As far as I can tell this is all just a setup so that Israel can have a crack at Iran and specifically it's nuclear program.

Kind Regards
Myselfaswell.



posted on Sep, 4 2013 @ 07:12 PM
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I'll be brief. America is tired of war. Let the rest of the planet take responsibility for a change.



posted on Sep, 4 2013 @ 07:17 PM
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You must be real slow to the game, ATS members already know how this is going to go down... If congress votes yes, then Obama can blame congress for it. If congress votes no, Obama will use his powers to bypass congress and set up the media to make it seem like Americans support it...

I don't know why you act like this is breaking news or anything, I think ATS members are just sick of parroting themselves to people who are unwilling to listen or do anything about it...



posted on Sep, 4 2013 @ 07:20 PM
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I missed the real ATS crew back in '06 and earlier. Those guys came on the thread and gave you real information that you would never knew and that's why I signed up oh but now...smh, those days are done!



posted on Sep, 4 2013 @ 07:21 PM
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I see tons of conspiracy... everyone is making guesses and making up their own agendas.. so I'm confused? .. are you suggesting we keep inventing more creative conspiracies?

What I am annoyed by is that the political tones have overshadowed the rest of everything .. everyone is TOO busy inventing conspiracies over this middle eastern mess ... I miss coming here and finding a UFO case to debate, or some amazing new science to check out.. brain intensive things.. now it's all religion and politics
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posted on Sep, 4 2013 @ 07:23 PM
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I would like to know what evidence who the u.s. has?

I keep hearing that they have proof, well show the American people some proof and stop stalling.



posted on Sep, 4 2013 @ 07:26 PM
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Originally posted by sylent6
I would like to know what evidence who the u.s. has?

I keep hearing that they have proof, well show the American people some proof and stop stalling.


I would like to see it too .. the amusing thing to me is that everyone says NAY to the us claiming they have evidence but then there was a thread that said Russia has evidence that the rebels did it .. no EVIDENCE was presented but everyone was up in arms "SEE!? WE KNEW IT" ..

It's one HUGE indicator that people believe what they want to believe.. because one super power said they had evidence to the contrary, without showing it, it suddenly proves another who said they do have evidence, who also didn't show it... the world has a short term memory... the Russians are JUST as bad as the US .. they have interests in the region just as we do .. they both could be inventing things to support their interests..

Until one of them presents said evidence, they are both potential liars...



posted on Sep, 4 2013 @ 07:27 PM
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Originally posted by jheated5
You must be real slow to the game, ATS members already know how this is going to go down... If congress votes yes, then Obama can blame congress for it. If congress votes no, Obama will use his powers to bypass congress and set up the media to make it seem like Americans support it...

I don't know why you act like this is breaking news or anything, I think ATS members are just sick of parroting themselves to people who are unwilling to listen or do anything about it...




We have known since the beginning that the West and allies are funding, training and arming the rebels.

This is the NEXT stage where most people aren't on the same page as those behind the scenes making the plans.,,

The set up, which Obama's speeches have made clear, is that we should not sit back and allow a regime to use chemical weapons. The Congress vote is about APPEASEMENT, thus implanting a very powerful message and justification in the future to act WITHOUT CONGRESS when the 'next event' takes place.



posted on Sep, 4 2013 @ 07:28 PM
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reply to post by Wonderer2012
 


Conspiracies are built on a Lack of Facts.

Need I say more?



posted on Sep, 4 2013 @ 07:30 PM
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Originally posted by ShadellacZumbrum
reply to post by Wonderer2012
 


Conspiracies are built on a Lack of Facts.

Need I say more?


Not here you can't
lack of facts are the foundation of things.. facts make you sheeple .. or a disinformation agent.. even if the opposing side can't dispute it.



posted on Sep, 4 2013 @ 07:30 PM
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Originally posted by ShadellacZumbrum
reply to post by Wonderer2012
 


Conspiracies are built on a Lack of Facts.

Need I say more?


And an educated guess.....well sometimes.



posted on Sep, 4 2013 @ 07:30 PM
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Originally posted by sylent6
I would like to know what evidence who the u.s. has?

I keep hearing that they have proof, well show the American people some proof and stop stalling.


It has NOTHING to with the evidence or if it is legit!!

This is what I'm talking about, please, read the OP in full.

It is about APPEASEMENT and the message that will create for the future.



posted on Sep, 4 2013 @ 07:33 PM
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What will happen will happen and there will be countless threads on how Congress did the right thing blah blah blah with no one having the slightest clue what happened.



posted on Sep, 4 2013 @ 07:36 PM
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Originally posted by suz62
I'll be brief. America is tired of war. Let the rest of the planet take responsibility for a change.


You're half way there.

The elite are intelligent, plan ahead etc. They know that people feel this way. Hence the set up.

Congress will vote for no intervention, thus setting up an illusionary period of appeasment (fake in the sense we are still covertly funding the rebels as we have done since the offset) this appeasement makes way for the next chapter.



posted on Sep, 4 2013 @ 07:36 PM
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So lets say congress votes for no strike, Obama goes on ahead and approves it anyhow, the American people get fed up and impeach him. Well TPTB got what they wanted out of him while they could, but the wheels already started turning..... Then we'll have biden at the steering wheel.......



posted on Sep, 4 2013 @ 07:44 PM
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Biden is Robin to Obama's Batman. Where Obama goes, the puppy follows. That'll carry right out the door, if it comes to that. He's too 'inside' to ever claim, even as a joke, that Obama knew something and he didn't. It's not like secrecy is taken serious to any great extent among this crew either, so the idea anything would be kept from Biden strikes me as accidental oversight, if it's happened at all.

@OP

I love your thread here. I think it's timely and important to consider. Many here have noted that fact based discussion is, well, hard to find on some topics. Some more than others, to be sure. Others have noted that Conspiracy which once had some logical point of departure has often become PURE mental musings of the poster with nothing but personal daydreaming to go from. That is a hard thing to see as it grows for a % of activity.

I think a rule of thumb is easy to follow as well as covering it pretty well in a lot of cases. If someone is presenting a new idea, concept or arguing someone else's existing one........and they didn't spend at least 2-3x's LONGER to form the post content and research it than it takes to type it out? Well...It's probably not of very high quality, if any quality to speak of.

More research....less daydreaming because something 'sounds cool' would bring better content, IMHO.



posted on Sep, 4 2013 @ 07:46 PM
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Originally posted by jheated5
So lets say congress votes for no strike, Obama goes on ahead and approves it anyhow, the American people get fed up and impeach him. Well TPTB got what they wanted out of him while they could, but the wheels already started turning..... Then we'll have biden at the steering wheel.......


That's based on nothing but wild speculation.

Obama will go with Congress, the strike will not take place, that's what I'm telling you.

It is about APPEASEMENT and political intrigue on the international stage.



posted on Sep, 4 2013 @ 07:52 PM
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I do not like to mix politics with my conspiracy...as well as religion and politics...like the song states..."KEEP "EM SEPARATED"



posted on Sep, 4 2013 @ 07:53 PM
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Originally posted by Wonderer2012

Originally posted by jheated5
So lets say congress votes for no strike, Obama goes on ahead and approves it anyhow, the American people get fed up and impeach him. Well TPTB got what they wanted out of him while they could, but the wheels already started turning..... Then we'll have biden at the steering wheel.......


That's based on nothing but wild speculation.

Obama will go with Congress, the strike will not take place, that's what I'm telling you.

It is about APPEASEMENT and political intrigue on the international stage.





Nope, when has our government ever appeased the American citizens when it's about war??? What good would it do? Their our foreign influences within our government that are pushing for this and they have a big say on what goes on...





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