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Originally posted by Astyanax
reply to post by coldkidc
What was there before the big bang?
If there was no time, there was no 'before'. Do you understand now?
edit on 4/9/13 by Astyanax because: tenses tend to get muddled in a discussion of this sort.
Originally posted by NihilistSanta
God existing outside of time explains many of the godly attributes we attribute to him. Omnipresence? Easy he is outside of space and time and can see/interact with all moments of time and space simultaneously. Same with omniscience he knows everything because all things exist to him simultaneously.
So if there is no time then there is no way that an event can happen correct?
Events exist within time because of causality.
God being infinite is very easy to grasp when you understand that it is simply something which exist outside of space and time. You can not grasp infinity because you are perceiving it within a finite existence.
What is the first cause according to science?
The latest search is based on a new, higher-resolution map of the cosmic microwave background from Planck. The Planck team says their multi-pronged analysis also found no evidence of galaxy clusters gushing along in a coherent stream.
"The Planck team's paper appears to rule out the claims of Kashlinsky and collaborators," says David Spergel of Princeton University, who was not involved in the work. If there is no dark flow, there is no need for exotic explanations for it, such as other universes, says Planck team member Elena Pierpaoli at the University of Southern California, Los Angeles. "You don't have to think of alternatives."
But it is too soon to rule out dark flow entirely, argues Fernando Atrio-Barandela at the University of Salamanca in Spain. A member of the Planck team, he withheld his name from his colleagues' paper because he says they overestimated the uncertainty in their measurements, making what might be a subtle signal of dark flow look like mere noise.
"One has to be very careful not to wash the baby out with the bathwater," agrees Kashlinsky. He and Atrio-Barandela are running their own analysis with the new Planck data and expect to have results in just a few months.
No evidence for dark flow was found in the new accurate cosmic microwave background radiation data by the European Space Agency's Planck satellite.
Those movements exist inside space-time which happens after this cause is introduced which happens to create space-time as we know it.
To visualize imagine the universe prior to the big bang as a piece of ice. there is no movement going on due to everything being frozen in place. You are saying that this chunk of ice somehow thawed itself and took off from there.