Super Missile Cruiser "Moskva" with Destroyers And Frigates heads for Syria

reply to post by johncarter


This is a deterrent. Not for Syria, but Iran.
I have stated before, and its just my opinion, but I believe Israel plans to drag Iran in in the fog of war. I think that's why they have been quiet (Israel). Its coming up on a year (about 8 months) since Netanyahu said they had to strike within a year (with his clipart bomb graphic). I think Russia knows this and expects, as I do, that Israel might try to expand this thing.

reply to post by blackthorne


Wrong. The ship you are talking about is *Moskva* (Built 1965 and refurbished 1996). I talk about Slava Moskva built 1976.

Slava, renamed Moskva on July 7, 1995, was laid down on November 5, 1976. As the initial ship of a new class, building time was slower than those of the sisterships. She was launched three years later on July 27, 1979 and almost another four years would pass until Slava was commissioned on February 7, 1983. Moskva ex-Slava was the first of a planned six ship class of the most impressive surface action warship, with the exception of the Kirov Class RKR, to be built by the Soviet Union or the modern Russian Navy. Three are in service with Russian Fleet, Moskva in the Black Sea, Marshall Ustinov in the Northern Fleet and Varyag (Viking) ex-Cheryona Ukraina in the Pacific Fleet. A forth unit Admiral Flota Lobov has been renamed Ukrayina for service in the Ukrainian Navy. A fifth ship, Rossiya, then Oktyabrskaya Revolutsia and a sixth, Admiral Flota Sovetskogo Soyuza Gorshkov were both cancelled on October 4, 1990.

More info here

reply to post by johncarter


The Moskva carries the SS-N-12, P-500 Bazalt, which has a top speed of Mach 2.5. The hypersonic missiles aren't currently fitted and are still in development.

reply to post by Zaphod58


Thats not what I ve heard, but I am not hundred sure and trust your judgement Z. You usually know your planes and ships.

Slava is not as impressively armed or as large as the other contemporary Soviet cruiser class ships like, the mighty Orion (Kirov class), but it is still a formidible warship in its own right. You don´t screw around such a deadly ship once it is within kill range.

Your comment about the hypersonic being under development might be right, but then the russians love to spread misinfo (what weapons maker doesn´t?).

Some of tehse beasts can be mounted on the support ships or be purely landbased, like the BrahMos-II that can reach mach 7 and has a kill-range of 290 km.

In any case, if any of these superweapons are released, thousands of sailors will die, all cursing the name of Obama as they drown or become incinerated by the impact blasts.
CFR, Bush and Obama might love to play chicken with toothless countries like Iraq and Afghanistan, but if he challenges Putin, we are all screwed.

Just coincidence, that

voiceofrussia.com...

A group of Russia’s Northern Fleet warships has left its home port of Severomorsk and is heading towards the eastern Arctic.

The armada reportedly consists of a heavy nuclear-powered missile cruiser Pyotr Veliky, two big amphibious warships Olenegorsky Gornyak and Kondopoga, as well as a group of support vessels, such as rescue and tug boats, a handful of transport ships and a tanker.

“The group totals over a dozen of warships and support vessels,” Fleet spokesman Vadim Serga said on Tuesday.

The Northern Fleet’s Commander, Admiral Vladimir Korolyov, told a Russian news agency the main goal of the mission was to prop up Russia’s Arctic status and protect its interests in this economically vital region.
Read more: voiceofrussia.com...

And newest statement from Russian Foreign Ministry:
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So, what we can expect right now ? Will US or Israel make the new provocation ?
Will Russians response, how many US Fleet will be sinked ?
Will US make a response with tactic nukes ?
Will Russia make a response ?
Who has better antimissile system, who will loose some cities ?

Who will survive ???

And my personal question - will be Obama first Nobel prize, who started Global Nuclear War ?

Just coincidence, that

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And my personal question - will be Obama first Nobel prize, who started Global Nuclear War ?

When I first saw him receive the Nobel prize in Oslo, I thought this man was a mere CFR buffoon. Now, several years later, I have come to understand he is pure evil. He managed to fool the greater part of the country (not the tiny ATS crowd) that he was the ultimate bringer of peace and prosperity, but I swear, with each passing day I truly believe this man to be the antichrist or the one paving the way for the former.

The nobel prize was the great magic wand that enabled him to grab the power a second term and solidify his evil agenda which we now see coming into a nightmerish reality for so many innocent ppl.

I know this is crazy but I had a premonition long ago that we would lose a US Naval Vessel, I saw a Carrier. I told a friend of mine this - what I saw was this - at the time I did not know the country. I said its a country we are not worried about or in right now, a different country. We will lose a ship (carrier) and all of us will be looking east and something terrible will happen in the west while we are all torn up about the situation in the east. The big event in the west was imo Earth disaster related. The "big ONE"? Take it for what its worth. I hope I am terribly wrong.

With all due respect to some of the posters on this thread please, PLEASE, PLEASE - STOP REFERRING TO THE US MILITARY/NAVY AS "OUR BOYS" ok - please - I ask you this respectfully as a Veteran of both the Navy and Air Force, yes both. 22 years in - and 2 combat tours, boots in the sand for the Air Force, its true and I know it boggles the freaking mind doesn't it - but - I am a WOMAN. AMERICAN WOMAN COMBAT VETERAN - and our Forces have not been made up of "boys" for a long long long time. Its an all volunteer force and you have to be an adult to join.
Thank you, sorry for the rant if you can't tell this whole thing triggers me up a bit - in addition to the premonition I had that we would "lose" a carrier. I hope to God not. I was in a false War, hate to say it because they riled us up like a freaking football team about it. Set us down in the sand and said GO! I am glad that both the American public and many members of the US Military don't like the looks of this one at all and it seems we have all become war weary as human beings. Unfortunately the War Mongers that run the show seem way to determined.

reply to post by johncarter


Armed to the teeth, this is a counter to the recent show of strength by the missile test firing set up by the US and ISRAEL, sadly this mean's Putin is intent on escalation to defend his Syria assets and in turn means the US will be goaded into not showing weakness, cold war mark 2 anyone.
(And this flaming government here in the UK has cut our defense spending and left us with no naval airplanes and precious little in the way of ships that we can deploy as two fully usable and still state of the art aircraft carriers have now been torn apart on the beeches of India thanks to camaron ).

reply to post by buster2010


Russia sends weapons into Syria to help stop the war

The U.S sends weapons to prolong the war..

Jeez buddy, the one sided propaganda machine that resides within your mind is in "full speed ahead" mode today isn't it?



Funny how haters of the West always portray Russia to be some kind of moral anchor when the # goes down.
lmao

reply to post by johncarter


The navy has the capability to stop any deployed anti ship missile with SeaRAM. The Brahmos II is a joint Russian-Indian development so it's actually easier to get information on it. It's not operational yet.

reply to post by LABTECH767


Since when is two missile simulators a "show of strength"? That's all those were was an upgraded Sparrow missile simulator for use in Arrow testing.

We are one suicide bombing in Tel-Aviv away from a full scale conflict. If the US attacks I would expect heavy retaliation around the globe. An excuse for carnage. Russia sending in some muscle may be to beat the US to the punch. What if they hit the rebels?

Originally posted by Zaphod58
reply to post by johncarter

 

The navy has the capability to stop any deployed anti ship missile with SeaRAM. The Brahmos II is a joint Russian-Indian development so it's actually easier to get information on it. It's not operational yet.

SeaRam (Raytheon) was developed as a response to the feared Russian Sunburn missiles. It has up to date in tests shown a 90% hit rate (against 180 fired missiles) by the navy, which is very good but not perfect score.
If three of 30 launched sunburns against lets say Nimitz gets through, she is toast.

To my knowledge SeaRam is currently planned for installation, on 78 U.S. Navy and 30 German Navy ships, including American LHD, LPD and CVN ship types. It is still on trial, fitted to the Independence Class Littoral Combat Ship.

Apparently Putin needs to read the bible (Ezekiel 37-39) to be exact. This does not end well for him or Assad. Putin may want to look tough against a weak Obama but Israel is not scared of Putin and his Navy at all. Israel has way to many Giant killer tricks up its sleeve to mess with in a conventional means so Putin is playing with fire parking his boats in Israels bathtub.

Israel operates the so called quietest sub in the world in the German built Dolphin class, witch I am sure has had some nice improvements added to them by Israel. Not sure if it can top the U.S. Sea Wolf as that is just to classified to release but its one of the best in that regard.

reply to post by johncarter


The SeaRAM Block I was ten for ten in initial tests at all aspects of flight and all altitudes. It has been installed on carriers and escorts. The Block II is entering service with improved kinematics, seeker and electronics.

Originally posted by Patriotsrevenge
Apparently Putin needs to read the bible (Ezekiel 37-39) to be exact. This does not end well for him or Assad. Putin may want to look tough against a weak Obama but Israel is not scared of Putin and his Navy at all. Israel has way to many Giant killer tricks up its sleeve to mess with in a conventional means so Putin is playing with fire parking his boats in Israels bathtub.

Israel operates the so called quietest sub in the world in the German built Dolphin class, witch I am sure has had some nice improvements added to them by Israel. Not sure if it can top the U.S. Sea Wolf as that is just to classified to release but its one of the best in that regard.

If Israel starts to screw with Putin or dare sink one ship, I can assure you that a couple of Tzsar nukes (50 megaton each) dropped from TU-160 BlackJacks (top speed mach 2)



can turn Israel into glass in less then a minute from Target drop.

I take it you are a hebrew, believing Russia is a sure game for "mighty Israel" and her newly purschased german subs. Man, you need a reality check. If real war erupts in the Middle east, Israel will be among the first to completely dissappear from the face of the earth. Trust me on that one.

reply to post by canucks555


A thought occured to me that the reason people are "pulling" for Russia in this is because our own government is not listening to The People. What then?

Bad analogy time...

It is like your big brother is wanting to punch another guy in the face so you protest your big brother only to have him point a meaty finger at you and tell you to sit down and shut up. Then you sit down and hope your big brother gets his face pounded in to teach him a lesson.

Bad analogy time over...

Originally posted by johncarter

Originally posted by Zaphod58
reply to post by johncarter

 

SeaRam (Raytheon) was developed as a response to the feared Russian Sunburn missiles. It has up to date in tests shown a 90% hit rate (against 180 fired missiles) by the navy, which is very good but not perfect score.
If three of 30 launched sunburns against lets say Nimitz gets through, she is toast.


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You have no comprehension of how much it takes to sink a modern U.S. Carrier.. Short of a nuke and she will not sink. That is why the Russians have nuclear torpedo's. The Carrier is also protected by all of her ships in the task force as the Aegis system will and can direct fire from all the ships against those 30 missiles. If Russia dares to sink one of our Carriers it better be ready to lose Moscow.

reply to post by johncarter


Quit dreaming!!! The Tsar nuke was for testing only and is not in Service. Every Russian plane sent against Israel would be shot out of the sky long before it can bomb them.