reply to post by GargIndia
I don't think the Nukes give us "unlimited power" they are useful as they are useful as a deterrent. While sharing a border with so much arsenal on
both sides China and India for example do need to keep an open eye. The Americas do not actually have that issue, you don't need to keep such a
massive and expensive Military force to assure against invasion here, there is no ground to cross, there is only ocean, the numbers count for nothing
here because bringing them over is an impossible trick, establishing a beachhead when you're dealing with Nukes in play can't happen, particularly
not over massive terrain with an armed populace. If they technology is superior to what avail? Look at what the loss of 2 towers did to the US
economy? What does it really take to ruin China? 3 Missiles? One in Shanghai, One in Beijing, One in Hong Kong?
To what purpose would an invasion be? Holding territory in a modern age is a nightmare, the Soviets failed in Afghanistan we didn't do much better.
The supply lines would be costly as heck, any large fleet, let's face it.... even if your tech can counter nukes, some will slip by, what are the
fears of the USA for 1 Trillion plus a year, we crap bricks over an Iranian speed boat with a Nuke on board taking out a whole Carrier Battle group,
or a single EMP strike over the nation launched from an oil tanker....
I'm not talking about eliminating our armed forces, small, shielded well maintained Nuclear systems, continued exploration in high tech, and a
reduced forced geared to defense for half the price... No one will be invading us anytime soon... ever, no more than there would be sanity for the USA
to even dream it could occupy China or India...
If China builds a Trillion a year military it will be used the same way we use ours, to grab those resources from defenseless nations in which you
actually Can grab resources, not us. For us it means we can no longer defend those places which begs the question... why should we?
I also think that to battle (figuratively or physically) China or India over resources is foolish.
China and India need those resources, the only true friction our nations have is US Interventionism which at this point is GREED. America, like
Germany and possibly Japan, definitely Canada is capable of going green... The technology is there, the capacity is there, the population size is
absolutely not a major problem, meanwhile for China and India to prop up a global economy from recession there are over a billion more people who can
use cars, the leap to solar, the amount of energy needed to modernize that many people is massive... The Long term way of looking at this isn't
typical western short term thinking, sure there is money to be made selling the oil if you possess the ME, but the BIG money is consumerism, India and
China have 2.6 Billion potential customers. Indias business in the future is worth as much as all of Europe, China's is worth 50% more.
Energy.... Germany will run the entire nation naturally, largely with solar and their climate stinks for that, The American South West can fuel the
Cars... the tech is already there and growing, the need for oil is vastly going to diminish here
Steel, raw materials? Synthetics, the tech is there, Carbon is God
Food, we already feed nearly 50% of the world from this continent
Water... the huge water wars that are coming, lol, not here they aren't
Half a Trillion a year back into infrastructure and we are mightier than ever, we just won't have so much "force projection" Let me add this... if
we do have actual enemies, which we don't or at least didn't before we bombed the heck out of everyone in a region.. the best thing you can do to
remain on top economically is let your enemies and competitors fight, have to spend more on their own defense.
War? it's not a century ago, it doesn't make money... sure for a few that sell arms or happen to be in oil... but fear doesn't create consumer
spending, being part of violence which quickly becomes "conspiracy" as people tell stories via modern media doesn't encourage envy, immigration,
tourism, business deals... It's not good for the economy anymore, if we worry about China's war plans... let them have their wars, it will ruin them
just like it ruined Russia and now Us.
Today is the communication era, this time is past where these things brought any gain, the smart nation, avoids war. Any war. Boston being closed for
the day doesn't do much for the economy, people prepping and storing food is money not at the movie theater.
An old American policy used to be "walk softly and carry a big stick"
How should we handle Asia?
Embrace it, not Fear it.
Americas strength which is waning for decades was Europe, Nato... This century we Embraced the tides from Europe, those strong ethnic ties left us
with great alliances and friends, today's tumultuous region of immigrants is Asia and because the cultures are bit strange to some or harder to
relate to we reject that power that we have, the power of immigration, in reality, India and China and korea and Taiwan and Vietnam and even Japan are
our NEW source of power. These people are modern civilized immigration. They will create the ties that bring us lasting peace and allow us to tap
those markets effectively.
But look at who we are... an Indian woman won Miss America today. a TRUTH a sign of what is REAL of where this nation is going. And people rejected
it... for no reason.
Our power here is "give us your tired your poor your huddled masses" not bomb the crap out of them...