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Originally posted by johncarter
In , what must be direct orders from Putin, the naval pride and lethal missile cruiser, Slava (Glory) Moskva, is now steaming on full speed (32 knots) towards Syria. Slava Moskva, is the lead ship of the Project 1164 Atlant class of guided missile cruisers in the Russian Navy
It is accompanied by Destroyers, Fregats and a couple of nuclear Typhoon class subs . It seems Putin means business and is determined to face Obamas cards on the middle east poker table.
UK has already dispatched 6 RAF Typhoon jet fighters to Cyprus which means Cameron wants to fight despite the massive Nay vote in Parliament.
This can end very badly, folks. One slight accidental fired missile, lets say from the Israelis or even a drunk russian can start WW3 in a flash.
It seems we are steaming towards a 21st century cuba crisis here and it aint JFK behind the commander in chief desk this time...
more info here
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Russian Moskva cruiser enters Mediterranean through Strait of Gibraltar
RUSSIA-MEDITERRANEAN-CRUISER CEUTA, Spain. Sept 11 (Interfax-AVN) – The missile-carrying cruiser Moskva, the flagship of Russia’s Black Sea Fleet, has entered the Mediterranean from the Atlantic through the Strait …
The flagship of the Black Sea Fleet missile cruiser "Moskva" will arrive in the Eastern Mediterranean on September 17, said Wednesday a senior General Staff of the Russian Armed Forces.
Russia cannot challenge USA in mediterranean.
Russian strategy has never been a direct naval confrontation with USA. It did not happen in cold war, it is unlikely to happen now.
Russian armada is for security of strategic weapons aboard subs and to respond to emergencies in neighborhood. Russian strategy is to launch nukes from protected waters. There are several areas around Russia where Russian subs can operate unchallenged from Western ships and subs.
If a challenge comes in future, it will be combined China/Russia navy against USA in the Pacific.
I just found the news item confirming that Yakhont can cover a distance of 500km. A version of Yakhont exists with this range.
However problem is always guidance as ships are moving. A ship or aircraft has to provide terminal guidance for the missile.
If enough Russian ships/aircrafts are in the area, we can assume that a shore battery can fire on a ship up to 500 km away.
Originally posted by ATSWATCHER
That system is only good for tagets moving ina straight line, and not for very fast zigzagging missiles, Ageis will NOT stop old school SS-19/22/27.
Actually, missiles that "zig-zag" have to slow down at a tremendous rate in order to make that maneuver. I'm sure that Aegis systems are more than capable of countering this threat. Let's not forget that the Aegis system is continually upgraded to protect AC carriers which cost billions to build and billions more just to maintain over the years. They do not make a habit of sending these carriers out without adequate protection against any and all threats...I have a bit more faith in the USN than you do when it comes to their countermeasures.
Aegis is also not the only defense a carrier strike group has. Their are various naval assets, such as subs, as well as various assets in the air (electronic warfare, even an airborne laser platform specially designed to shoot down ICBMs, strategic bombers, etc.). A good defense is also a good offense. The US has UCAV's B-1Bs (a better, updated version of the Tupolev "blackjack" equivalent) B2's, etc. The American strategic bomber force and overall air-force is far more superior to what Russia currently is fielding. People seem to be under the mistaken impression that it will be the USN on its heels trying to defend itself. If a naval war were to break out, Russia will not be the one sitting back and allowed to take pop-shots off at the USN. It will come at a heavy cost to them...likely the total destruction of their naval assets in the region...
The Tomahawk bloc IV for instance will be Russias (and Syrais if it comes to it) worst nightmare.
You should keep browsing the net, Russia has exotic weapons for it's self, and U.S. Lasers are just like Phalanx, "if they can't detect/track in time, missiles go BBOOOMMMMBBB in a U.S. Carrier Group.
Technological progress does not stand still. Like it or not, lasers are the future for defense. And What we see today will be greatly expanded on over the coming years.edit on 6-9-2013 by rock427 because: (no reason given)edit on 6-9-2013 by rock427 because: (no reason given)edit on 6-9-2013 by rock427 because: (no reason given)
If Obama and Putin want to fight so freaking bad let them settle it in the ring. SIck murderous bastards
Originally posted by peck420
Incorrect on many counts.
Never under estimate your enemy.
The Russian ships are very capable and should be treated as such. In fact, I would go in so far as to treat them just as capable as any of my ships, which I'm sure the Navy brass is actually doing.
Complete side, lasers, like any weapon have pluses and minuses. They also have counter measures. There is a reason the Navy is not relying on them to be any more then just another layer in a very layered defence.
I would hope that any commander worth his weight in brass would not underestimate his or her enemy. That isn't my point... I'm simply pointing out the strengths that many here seem to be underestimating. If anything, the largest most advanced Navy on the planet is somehow being relegated to second best by many on this forum.
Until very recently, most of the Russian navy was rotting away in dry docks while the US kept up its qualitative edge by spending countless billions maintaining that qualitative competitive edge and in many cases EXTENDING it. I'm simply pointing out this clear advantage that the USN has over pretty much EVERY navy in the world.
Russia is in the process of rebuilding its Navy. By comparison to the US today, I'd say the Soviet Navy was better equipped to deal with the US navy than the current Russian Navy is...
Originally posted by squarehead666
reply to post by rock427
And how pray, do future developments of that puny little laser defend US ships from Moskit missiles right now?
The US is leading in the development of lasers. They already have a chemical based airborne laser mounted to a 747 capable of shooting down multiple ICBM's. They very recently successfully tested another airborne laser onboard a C130 that was capable of melting a tanks armor from 5 miles out. And THEL; which is a ground based laser -- recently has shown an ability to destroy anything from a rockets/missiles all the way down to artillery shells in mid flight. These advances like all technological advances are accelerating and exponential. My point is that future ABMD systems will make pretty much all conventional rockets/ICBMs/missiles, etc obsolete on the future battlefield.
The Russian ships are just as obsolete as the US ships.....It's all about the anti-ship missile swarms, which can be surface, submarine or air launched.
It would likely take more missiles than the very small Russian navy has (logistical reasons) to overrun an Aegis let alone SIX of them...And Submarines are probably one of the best assets a carrier strike group has. Again, a good defense is a good offense.
Originally posted by ATSWATCHER
I don't The Serbs did a fine job at making AGM88 "think" they were going towards radar when in reality the were flying into home microwave ovens, that were "tweaked" to operate with their doors open.
That's one of the MAIN reasons the S-300PMU-2's/S-300PMU-3's (aka S-400's) WERE fielded to counter.
Its funny that you say that, because the US did not have this problem with the AGM88 in Iraq...This is one of the biggest bunk propaganda stories going around. The Serbs did not use microwave ovens to decoy anti-radiation missiles...
Russia Scalars are waiting, you can choose to wish/believe other wise, but were are headed for a major U.S.upset in the next BIG war, I'm convinced U.S.A./U.K. are in the last days of being anything of a super-economical/military powers.
Of course you think that way...Why wouldn't someone who ascribes to Serbian propaganda? I'll bet you $5,000 (in 2013 dollars) right now that in twenty years time, the US will still remain as the worlds preeminent world power.
reply to post by ATSWATCHER
The reality is no Yakhont have been fired at a USN ship. So we don't know beyond theory if it will work or not.
There is no doubt that USN has anti-missile technology on its ships. However this tech has not been tested in a real battlefield. Nobody has challenged USN in a long time.
My point is that a. Russia will not act alone against USA, b. Wont happen in the Med. Med is a small sea, as is heavily dominated by Western powers.
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