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Super Missile Cruiser "Moskva" with Destroyers And Frigates heads for Syria

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posted on Sep, 5 2013 @ 10:19 AM
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Originally posted by tremex

Originally posted by johncarter

Originally posted by tremex
Slava, the Russian cruiser, didn't steam to the destination, because of its enormous firepower, but because of its updated and very sophisticated detection gear. Russians agreed on providing Assad with the best possible information about the expected missile attack - about its tactical aspects. It's sort of a similar situation as it existed during the Falklands war waged between the UK and Argentina where US military intelligence supplied data gathered by the network of US spy satellites to the British military.
www.nytimes.com...

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I can assure you that the russian military satellites, like the Molniya-1 and 2, will handle that task without any problems.

Molniyas 1 and 2 were communication satellites and got nothing to do with tracking tomahawks.
www.astronautix.com...


My bad.. Those damn russkies have such a hectic space program its hard to follow.

more here;




2013 Jan. 15: Russia opened a record of space launches in 2013 with a liftoff of a converted ballistic missile carrying a trio of military satellites Tuesday. A Rockot booster equipped with a Briz-KM upper stage lifted off from Pad No. 3 at Site 133 in Plesetsk Cosmodrome on Jan 15, 2013, at 20:25 Moscow Time. The vehicle was carrying a trio of military communications satellites for a constellation believed to be designated Rodnik-S.


Russian spaceweb
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posted on Sep, 5 2013 @ 10:22 AM
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Originally posted by blackthorne
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john, i want to thank you for a visual that i now must burn out my eyes so as to be able to remove it!



You welcome. I hope I didnt ruin your lunch?



posted on Sep, 5 2013 @ 10:29 AM
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Originally posted by Brother Stormhammer
Not to rain on the Doomsday Parade, but I followed the provided links in the original post, and didn't find mention of 'destroyers and frigates'...the Moskva is escorted by one of each. There's also no mention of a Typhoon-class SSBN in the group. The articles mention RAF Typhoons being in the area, and a Russian anti-submarine vessel, but no Typhoon-class submarine.

There's also the minor point that the Russians are calling this a routine ship rotation. Whether that's the case or not is certainly open to debate, but if the point of bringing a force into an area is to send a 'diplomatic signal', why make it look like something routine? The Russians aren't known for taking the subtle approach when it comes to that sort of signal, after all.


Oh yeah?...well lets take another look at the current Prom night and see what kind of ladies and gents are invited?




While the leaders of the two superpowers are shaking hands for the camera in St. Petersburg, their navies are sending a different message. Here is the latest breakdown of the world's key navies in the Mediterranean theater of naval operations as of last night. By now it is likely woefully outdated, now that there are reports the Chinese have joined the fray too (not on the side of the 'free droning world').





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posted on Sep, 5 2013 @ 10:47 AM
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This is just f'ning stupid

I say we just round up all the bloated politicians and the idiots that want war, put them in a large arena (barehanded).

Most of those lazy, fat, twisted lard asses couldn't fight their way out of a wet paper bag.

I would wager everything I own that the fight wouldn't last 2 minutes.



posted on Sep, 5 2013 @ 11:53 AM
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Sorry about if I sound nitpicking.

That photo sub it´s not a Typhoon. It seems like an Yasen Class.



posted on Sep, 5 2013 @ 12:05 PM
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I am sorry. I made a mistake.

The sub in the photo is a Borei Class.



posted on Sep, 5 2013 @ 12:10 PM
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Originally posted by johncarter





I like the tactical position of that Russian anti-submarine ship: the farthest away from the US submarines operating off the coast of Egypt.



posted on Sep, 5 2013 @ 02:20 PM
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I really was impressed by your response mrsdudara and I think to myself this reminds me of other unrelated situations in life for some of us where a situation occurs in which we find ourselves one small step away from utilizing "countermeasures" which are last resort means now only one step away from being used (thats a personal reflection and I apologize)

What would it mean to a "hardliner" on either side to have a sabateur(sp) on board one of these vessels "accidentally" launch an anti ship missile at the other sides vessel - even if the other vessel shot the missile down and it splashed safely into the sea? "Excuse me - DID THEY just fire a missile at us? What would it mean to a Russian hardliner to run images of the Moskva burning heading for Davy Jones locker? It matters very little who can smack the dog mess out of who here. Nobody wins in the med the med is just the catalyst for what follows.

The Med would serve as a huge move on the board which would set into motion a much larger strategy. I'm an American I'm not at all ashamed of that - I'm actually quite proud of that but I am vehemently disgusted by the actions of our Govt. for some time now and that extends across the aisle. Don't be buffaloed and so Gung Ho to believe that there is anyway we win this thing in the end. This isn't about who has superiority in the Med.
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posted on Sep, 5 2013 @ 02:47 PM
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Yeah, sure, the Russian navy is unsinkable.

If the U.S. decides to invade Syria, Russia will do what they did when the US invaded Iraq, nothing.

Tell me again how Russia is less corrupt than the US.



posted on Sep, 5 2013 @ 02:54 PM
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There will be no war. Firstly, it would be WW3 and would escalate out of control if there was direct US/Soviet contact. Most importantly, military action at a remote location is the most expensive thing you could do. The US is broke ($17T + in debt is broke!). So we would be dead morally, financially and socially and we would collapse if thing escalated. What do you think the 1.6 billion bullets were from that HLS bought. Local control when Obama declares Marshall Law.



posted on Sep, 5 2013 @ 02:58 PM
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You should add 3 more Russian ships into this chess board.

With the fresh declaration from Putin, that Russia will cover Syria with antimissile shield, you may expect WW3 just in 1 hour after the US will go with missiles against Syria.

Med is a small sea, many subs and many ships.

Somehing MUST go wrong, do not be afraid.

Are you ready? Or better call your Congressman..



posted on Sep, 5 2013 @ 03:18 PM
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Somebody has described Russia as 'Strong' . Actually, the rawest measure of power is your population base. Russian birth rate is in the negative territory for a long time. They are losing 700,000 every year ( 7 million in 10 years ). The money they have is very limited, and they do not want war either. Their weapons are old and their R&D is very limited. They are even considering buying outside equipment (France and Germany) since they can't afford to start up their R&D again. Not the mark of a strong country.



posted on Sep, 5 2013 @ 03:28 PM
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Yeah

And with the war on Syria paid by Arab States, with US marines as a dogs of war..

Its really great business !


And even Peter Great with ballistic missiles in the Arctic Ocean does not say anything to the rednecks..

But nevermind, it doesn't mean who is right and really it is good for US to support Al Kaida in Syria, because of the real enemy is Iran and then Russia.

So you may be sure, Putin knows how this game can go on.

And he will rather sink US fleet - even if the next step would be ballistic missiles, maybe some "not so great nuclear war" with some "tactic small nuclear bombs"

So he knows how it works, and Peter Great with Northern Fleet is waiting for the orders in the Arctic Ocean. And a few subs too, you may be sure.


Does it make you happy ?



posted on Sep, 5 2013 @ 03:39 PM
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Originally posted by poet1b
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Yeah, sure, the Russian navy is unsinkable.

If the U.S. decides to invade Syria, Russia will do what they did when the US invaded Iraq, nothing.

Tell me again how Russia is less corrupt than the US.



Who said the Russian navy is unsinkable?

Russia had less at stake when it came to Iraq. Plus Bush had a LOT more international support. It was just after 9/11 and everyone was out to get someone, regardless of who that was. Syria is different. All of the sudden you have Obama talking about "red lines" (sounds like some other guy we know) and pushing very hard for an attack.

Imagine this situation...

1. Obama wants to attack Syria and claims to have "proof" it was Assad's side who did it.
2. Americans are vehemently against any action in Syria. 9% approve a strike.
3. There is little to no international support
4. Other major nations warn against an attack (Russia, China, India, etc)
5. Obama decides to let Congress decide.
6. Congress denies Obama's request.
7. Obama goes ahead and attacks Syria anyway.

Could you imagine the backlash that would occur? We're already damn close to being considered on the wrong side of this by the world. Imagine if Obama goes against Congress....

Of course we know that won't happen anyway. Congress will bend over and give Obama what he wants. Because Israel wants it.. and we know who owns the Congress...

So.. here is my prediction of the worst case scenario.

We attack Syria. Syria retaliates. They shoot down a few planes, perhaps even attack some of our naval assets. We in turn, escalate the situation due to Syria's attacks. Syria retaliates again and this time lobs a few scuds at Israel (yes.. Syria has TONS of scuds). Israel now decides to get involved, which brings in Iran, which triggers the US to attack Iran, etc etc etc. Russia stays out of it as long as possible, only providing weapons such as they did during Vietnam.. but eventually they get into it. China, being an ally of Russia, Iran, Syria etc decide to literally destroy our economy by dumping the tens of trillions it holds in US Dollars.

You see.. even the slightest wrong move here can trigger a massive war. Hell.. the last two World Wars started over less....



posted on Sep, 5 2013 @ 03:44 PM
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The only reason Russia is there is because they want their slice of the pie, and will protect their interests after the the dust settles.

End of story.



posted on Sep, 5 2013 @ 03:46 PM
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Originally posted by sechmet
Yeah

And with the war on Syria paid by Arab States, with US marines as a dogs of war..

Its really great business !


And even Peter Great with ballistic missiles in the Arctic Ocean does not say anything to the rednecks..

But nevermind, it doesn't mean who is right and really it is good for US to support Al Kaida in Syria, because of the real enemy is Iran and then Russia.

So you may be sure, Putin knows how this game can go on.

And he will rather sink US fleet - even if the next step would be ballistic missiles, maybe some "not so great nuclear war" with some "tactic small nuclear bombs"

So he knows how it works, and Peter Great with Northern Fleet is waiting for the orders in the Arctic Ocean. And a few subs too, you may be sure.


Does it make you happy ?


Rednecks? Yes, I ve noticed an invasion of rednecks on my thread the last 24 hours. Munsching on their kentucky fried chicken while typing the usual garbage, about what they think russia is capable of, or how ppl live there, they forget that Detroit is gone as city and a dozen others are on the line to enter the same fate.

To them Russia is still old Sovietunion, because that is what their redneck dads told them, and they hate those slimy communists, no, russian putinists...arrghh whatever ists


I saw this coming a long time ago and moved to Scandivania with my family.Now I have a more sober view on the reality of things and of course a clearer geo- and sociopolitical view on what goes on in wets as in east.
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posted on Sep, 5 2013 @ 03:47 PM
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Originally posted by eagledriver
Somebody has described Russia as 'Strong' . Actually, the rawest measure of power is your population base. Russian birth rate is in the negative territory for a long time. They are losing 700,000 every year ( 7 million in 10 years ). The money they have is very limited, and they do not want war either. Their weapons are old and their R&D is very limited. They are even considering buying outside equipment (France and Germany) since they can't afford to start up their R&D again. Not the mark of a strong country.


You may want to refresh your latest Russia file. Your data screams 2006.

They are back up to 2006 population and growing.

GDP is rising rapidly.

Debt is negligible.

R&D is clandestine.

Cyber capabilities are impressive.

Russia is not capable of going toe to toe with the US..yet, but they are more then capable of bloodying her nose.



posted on Sep, 5 2013 @ 03:49 PM
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Originally posted by peck420

Originally posted by eagledriver
Somebody has described Russia as 'Strong' . Actually, the rawest measure of power is your population base. Russian birth rate is in the negative territory for a long time. They are losing 700,000 every year ( 7 million in 10 years ). The money they have is very limited, and they do not want war either. Their weapons are old and their R&D is very limited. They are even considering buying outside equipment (France and Germany) since they can't afford to start up their R&D again. Not the mark of a strong country.


You may want to refresh your latest Russia file. Your data screams 2006.

They are back up to 2006 population and growing.

GDP is rising rapidly.

Debt is negligible.

R&D is clandestine.

Cyber capabilities are impressive.

Russia is not capable of going toe to toe with the US..yet, but they are more then capable of bloodying her nose.


Posted data on this earlier on this thread but the hicks are hopeless. They simply cannot read more than three lines of text, much less GDP data.



posted on Sep, 5 2013 @ 04:04 PM
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So the US Gvt and their allied puppies on a leash don't want a war then?
reply to post by Rodinus
 


You'll find the US Government are the ones on a leash, an Israeli one.

As for the French, well, who really understands them?



posted on Sep, 5 2013 @ 04:17 PM
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So who all in this region or on their way currently are against our pending actions. Syria(obvious), Iran, Russia, China and apparently some involvement at least involving NK. Well I'm sure their all just gonna sit on their hands and watch the US do it again because there is no way in hell they would dare confront the mighty US, not even on their own soil. I mean after all the US only means to fire a few missiles in the dessert and has no intention to overthrow assad or kill him, no interest in the natural assets no interest in destabalizing the middle east at all. Just a few rockets in the dessert and there is no way in hell that anyone would dare stand in our way cause we'd bomb em into the stone age - wheres my beer, the games on!
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