ISON-The Elephant In The Room

reply to post by Xcalibur254


Well...... I proved it. Your demigod has failed you. That was easy. Anyone else need a primer in remedial English? Not trying to point out the obvious but yeah. This is not your daddies comet. Not hale bop and not haileys comet. The op is right on. Of course ignorance is bliss.

If you're really bothered about the health effects of Comet Ison, put your mind at rest and go and buy some comet pills before they sell out!

See www.geocities.com...

So can anyone here give me one good reason why ISON should be something special or is it just because of the normal hysteria over nothing?

reply to post by NeoParadigm


There's nothing special about it apart from the fact that it's a comet that dared to come near enough for us to see it clearly without visual aids like telescopes. It bears no malice toward the planet and has no power over its own destiny or direction, being a slave to gravity and orbital physics just as we all are. It's been something of a tradition for centuries to claim any such visible comet is the harbinger of doom but there's no logical support for that.

Fortunately the vast majority of earth dwellers will simply gaze in wonder at a spectacle that many people will never see in their lifetime and not go running about crying the sky is falling. As for myself, I'm hoping for a clear sky and will be ready with binoculars & telescope (and hot coffee) for the celestial light show as I want compensation for the non-event that was Halleys comet in the 80s, waited decades to see that disappointing performance.

strange as hell just found this
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i dont know anything specific about this comet in particular, but im sure no one here knows for sure whats going to happen either. I wont beliveve they do unless they show me they space physics degree.

The healthier thing is to consider all the posibilities and weigh in the credibility of each. One thing is for sure, if there were any risk at all, we wouldnt be warned about it. Not by NASA or by any other goverment.

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NeoParadigm
So can anyone here give me one good reason why ISON should be something special or is it just because of the normal hysteria over nothing?

Simply because, unlike most of the other comets that pass us every year (like Lovejoy) there's a chance this one may become visible to the naked eye (athough not looking as likely as it was, and certainly not the spectacle the media were getting excited about earlier this year). Therefore the woo-woos think it must be somehow special and different.

Just like if the recent nova in Delphinus has been a bright object it'd been all over ATS. But it wasn't (only just naked eye visible if you knew where to look) so nothing was said.

If we can see it it's the EOTWAWKI. If we can't it doesn't matter. Simples.

Phage:

Is it not the job of a scientist to explore all possibilities? Space is vast, the timelines between events long and the odds of anything "going wrong" in our lifetime slim. Dismissal of any kind of an event off hand would of course give a mathematically minded person the odds of being right. Incredible odds of being right actually, the odds of being wrong somewhere in the range of the odds of me winning the lottery.

Nonetheless we owe it to ourselves as scientists to take seriously all possibilities if for no other reason... discovery.

Let us work from several truisms. Explore possibility, reverse engineer the bizarre theories of doom not from a POV of debunking them, but rather to explore the manners and conditions in which they could occur in some form and what variables could make them possible.

Comets being "scary" is not purely superstition, in our lifetime we have witnessed a collision with Jupiter, but this in itself is not the only threat, Comets and Asteroids both have varying compositions, which makes absolute prediction not entirely possible.

Lost in the rabble I have a couple of questions, Size and Composition being Two. Do we have an accurate and complete knowledge of either?

Above and beyond that I have many things I can look at here. IF I had to take a bet, if I had to place money, my commentary would be the same as yours, the Odds as I said above would be vastly in favor come January 31st of absolutely nothing happening, but taking size and composition as unknowns into account as well as factoring in some plausible scientific theories I'd like to know IF you can say the words IMPOSSIBLE to all of the following possibilities. Not highly unlikely.

1: Comet Ison is believed to be new, is it IMPOSSIBLE that there is a body that periodically disturbs the Oort cloud? That Ison is visible and has attention but there could be an actually threat of periodic release of material into the inner solar system, much of it too small to be seen. That within the more bizarre theories, there could be a "period" of higher risk or periods of higher risk based on events that HAVE occurred during the time span in which humans have inhabited the Earth and fear of comets or comets as a sign of potential danger is not unwarranted? Bear in mind, I'm talking about a 70,000 to 135,000 year period in which man be it not in our exact current form has had "camp fires" and the ability to relate stories.

2: Is it Impossible that even if we knew the scale of an object entering the solar system, if we did not know it's Internal composition, something small could be a piece of "something" with a far greater gravitational pull than one would expect? Be highly electrically or magnetically charged and or capable of creating "phenomena" out of the ordinary even from a distance, could not such an object spending time in the outer system like the Oort cloud for most of it's life Gravitationally pick up enough material to be "coated" as it enters the solar system appearing to be an ordinary Comet as it burns off but in reality something "highly unusual"

3: If an ordinary large Comet is it Impossible for it to have ordinary satellites that can be pushed off by out gassing creating the potential for a variety of small bodies to deviate from planned course. Would not even a small piece of a large Comet a city Killer for example in a day and age of Nuclear reactors be a severe threat if it impacted it the wrong place? And as part of same question in a similar vein, with an unknown composition internally be this Comet several large chunks traveling together or a singular body, as it heats rounding the Sun is it Impossible for it to explode as interior material heats up creating a shot gun effect in which you have several or many pieces on short notice coming closer to the Earth than predicted or even colliding?

4: How large is this Comet? Does the possibility exist that it is an extremely Large Comet? If not when exactly did we have enough information to determine the bodies actual size and dismiss that fear 100%, if it is a Large Comet and broken into pieces or simply fragile in the nature as to how it's held together could it not have a more dangerous debris field compared to most of the Comets we have observed? Is it impossible that it is very large and similar to my favorite candy bar "Effing Crumbs Everywhere"

5: Can we 100% discount Biological material frozen within an object that contains water, there are many scientists that see this as possible are there not? Additionally has the theory of a planetary explosion or collision in the early solar system been disproven if not and this "material" is from that period is it 100% impossible that rudimentary life like a Virus or Bacteria could survive within such an object?

6: Are Comets Safe? Even if not on Trajectory for collision are there no unknown variables? Is every single body that passes through our system simply a dirty snowball? Does nothing exist within the depths of space between stars that could be headed in an opposite direction by whatever means, areas of denser material we could pass through, Gravitational phenomena is impossible? There are not Millions of failed Stars? Large Jupiters, planets ejected from finished systems. If planet X is complete nonsense is it impossible that one day we wake up and there is some Neptune sized ejecta from somewhere else that enters the system (certainly not saying that is what this is) but do we not owe it to ourselves to carefully and closely examine all possibilities of anything we notice entering our solar system when we live on a world that at least once was pulverized during the course of evolution, when in the course of Human History we Do have evidence of some extreme events like a body exploding over North America while Homo Sapiens have walked the Earth?

7: Is it not what we do as Scientists, explore any and all possibilities no matter how remote in order to facilitate discovery?

reply to post by penninjaTaking your point of a comet being a sign of danger, the symbol for a comet is a hand hlding a dagger pointing at the Earth. There must be a reason for this symbol having survived. Having said that, I'm not talking about huge catastrophes just the comet's association with 'events'.

Nevermind

Phage
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Untold death and misery is just what we need. And if it really works well, no more human life at all! Yea! Woohoo!

edit on 9/4/2013 by Phage because: (no reason given)

Death and misery is all that is guaranteed in life.

I can hardly wait until I no longer have to put up with the godless heathens of this planet.

Woohoo indeed.

CONEDESTROYA
NO military leave between sept 29-nov 19

Do you have a valid source for that claim?

all embassies in the middle east are closed,

No they are not - what makes you claim that they are?

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jordan.usembassy.gov...

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I think this is what he was talking about

Puzzle
I think this is what he was talking about

Closed for the 4/8/13 for 1 day.....

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The 333 year connection is quite strange and it seems the numbers add up.the radio show as I recall mentioned nothing of this? it seems they took the OP to the rail yard and just dismissed it as superstition and then spent 20 minutes talking about 'doomporn' and trying to psychoanalyse and stereotype doomporners.
There is something coming, just ask your subconscious and all the warning signs are showing themselves, although im not a strong believer of the bible MIDDLE EAST I can see that it holds relevant truths, this mixed with a bunch of ancient texts what ever nature they take be it Mayan ,Hopi the ancient dynasties of China/Asia and this is the time for the 'event' it may be 10 years away it may be a month or 2 but rest assured its coming! it always does.

a reply to: notjustanother
and don't forget the great war is also well on its way to engulfing the world! Wars and plagues! And Famine Oh My! You were right!!! We should have listened....