reply to post by Domo1
All of the labels are a way to fool people into thinking they have some kind of political understanding, and also to allow debates to avoid real
While we are discussing these kind of terms though, i'd like to have a look at the following; communism, capitalism, socialism, fascism, and
It is usual to apply one of these terms to a type of govt and expect it to be pretty much definitive, and unambiguous.
This is however a gross over simplification. While my following model is also a gross over simplification, it does at least break things into
political and economic axes. Capitalism and communism can be placed on one axis - the economic axis, and fascism and democracy could be placed on
another - the political axis.
Capitalism depends on a state that does not interfere in commerce, allowing free trading, low or non existent taxes and very low regulation and
private property. Communism depends on a powerful state, with high regulation, high taxes and central planning of economy and lots of public
So if you have a look at the US for example, you can see that it is well past the halfway point along this axis towards communism.
On the political axis we can place democracy and fascism. This axis determines who controls the power of the state. While there are other sources of
political power, dictatorships, religious leadership, monarchies and so on - in the united states the original basis of political power was
representative democracy, yet more power is now falling into the hands of corporations who are effectively able to bribe the peoples
If we looked at the US we can see that a great deal of power is now in the hands of the executive branch, and that the executive seems to be aligned
to the corporate interests (just an observation of mine).
So on the political axis I think that very little power is now exercised democratically - and most power is assumed by the corporate interests and the
This makes the US a communist and fascist nation by definitions, regardless of what the media call things - it does pay to have a look yourself and
actually work out what the reality is.
It is worth noting that all states generally exercise both capitalism and communism at the same time - though often communism is rebranded as
socialism. It is the degree to which they exercise these that leads them to being generalized as capitalist or communist. Not all states exercise
democracy, though the will of the people can be influential if they pose a risk of revolution or disobedience.
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