Matt Drudge: “It’s now Authoritarian vs. Libertarian”

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posted on Sep, 3 2013 @ 08:57 PM
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I was a bit surprised to see this. I pretty much agree. There is no longer a lesser of two evils with the two big parties.


Matt Drudge, founder and editor of the influential Drudge Report, is a conservative by all accounts. But at least for Tuesday, he was anti-Republican Party.

“Why would anyone vote Republican?” Drudge tweeted. “Please give reason. Raised taxes; marching us off to war again; approved more NSA snooping. WHO ARE THEY?!”

The tweet came after another that was also critical of the GOP. “It’s now Authoritarian vs. Libertarian,” Drudge wrote. “Since Democrats vs. Republicans has been obliterated, no real difference between parties.”


I don't even know what I am. Maybe centrist? I have a lot of Conservative leanings, but I also support things like (GOOD) universal healthcare. I also have grown to despise both the Democrats and Conservatives and the majority of either's following. I like to see things like this. Drudge is fairly influential (like him or hate him) and if he's getting fed up maybe more people will too. It may take a long time for any real change to come about, but the more high profile folks that come around the better.

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posted on Sep, 3 2013 @ 09:00 PM
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I have been thinking about putting together a thread regarding the misleading terms of conservative and liberal.

For conservative, I would say classical liberal which I had always thought was the implied meaning anyway but, that's clearly out the door. This could give big government social conservatives possession of the term that best summarizes their official position.

For liberal, progressive is the clear winner. This could allow individualists to reclaim the term as it was intended and give big government socialists a less misleading credo.

Naturally, there are greys in here (not those greys, jeez!) but the idea is to make people think about throwing around these otherwise careless monikers.
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posted on Sep, 3 2013 @ 09:12 PM
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Oh fluffy kitteh (who had make-up put on by a Kardashian on a 3 day tequila bender) I must absolutely agree with you!



posted on Sep, 3 2013 @ 09:16 PM
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Dude do it. SERIOUSLY. WA is liberal about gun rights. 'Those idiots in Seattle hate guns!'. Not what I meant.



posted on Sep, 3 2013 @ 09:17 PM
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Not a fan but he's right... I've been saying such for at least a couple of years now.



posted on Sep, 3 2013 @ 09:18 PM
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Never confiding in you again. Also..... victims should stick together.




posted on Sep, 3 2013 @ 09:20 PM
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Originally posted by Domo1
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Never confiding in you again. Also..... victims should stick together.



Yeah, but I make it look good!

But back on topic, both political parties have worked so hard and keeping us all divided, that they have alienated themselves!



posted on Sep, 3 2013 @ 09:23 PM
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Awww what an adorable bunny

On topic I've heard somewhere that in the 1970s left and right in terms of politics lost it's meaning and since then became increasingly more one and the same. Sooner or later the USA would have become a single party state



posted on Sep, 3 2013 @ 09:29 PM
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But back on topic, both political parties have worked so hard and keeping us all divided, that they have alienated themselves!


I really hope they have finally finished digging their own graves. It will probably be years before we see an ACTUAL change, but it would seem everyone is finally starting to get fed up.

I get it. I get why people vote down the lines. You want your vote to count and nobody likes losing. You don't want to forget about the two main contenders and then have the one you don't like win. Problem is if we stay in that mind-frame, there will never be any progress.

It scares me that whoever spends more has a better chance of winning, and the only people with real financial backing are being backed by the people that would sell us all down the river for a chance to make love to a $20 bill.

It also scares me that we never seem to have any realistic options. This is going to piss off a lot of people, but Ron Paul was not realistic. Especially not for out first time. We need to ease into it. I do want to give Ron Paul voters credit though. One of the biggest problems most people have is that they don't want to be first. Have you ever seen a situation where someone needed help and everyone just mills around until someone jumps in and the crowds attitude changes? You guys were that first step I think.

My Grandmother is one awesome woman (89 and would smack me if I said years young), and has been lobbying hard for public campaign financing. There are a lot of problems with it, but I think it's a step in the right direction.

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posted on Sep, 3 2013 @ 09:44 PM
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I just created the new thread here:

Conservative or liberal? Are these junk terms?

I am looking forward to hearing peoples ideas on this subject, I get the feeling that this has bothered a lot of us.

Thanks for the encouragement!



posted on Sep, 3 2013 @ 09:51 PM
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The way I see it, there are roughly four ways you can slice it:

Social conservative (pro-life, pro-straight marriage, etc.).
Fiscal conservative (low taxes, low government spending, etc.)
Social liberal (pro-choice, pro-gay marriage, etc.)
Fiscal liberal (higher taxes, higher government spending, etc.)

Anyone can be any combination of fiscal/social, though there are exceptions. There was a nice story on NPR a few days ago about fiscal conservatives leaving California but maintaining their social liberalism in new states. You should give it a read.

Talking heads like to pigeon-hole our society as either republicans or democrats. We're much more complicated than that. However, given current campaign finance law, you'll rarely see anything on the national ballot beyond D or R.

This country needs something other than a co-opting of the major parties. It needs better government. It needs about 500 more congressmen to better represent the people and their varying political affiliations.



posted on Sep, 3 2013 @ 10:12 PM
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Nice... we need more of this.

It has always been like this in my eyes. The problem is that "they" make sure to keep the GOP and DNC always having one leg in column A and another in column B.

For example, Democrats are generally against war and death penalties yet also pro choice. Republicans are against government involvement in our lives yet they don't want same-gender marriage rights.

Aside from "libertarians", everybody else is pretty much "authoritarian". There are politicians on an individual level who I respect but their parties, as a whole, totally fit Matt Drudge's take on this.

I never thought I would be giving that guy credit...
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posted on Sep, 3 2013 @ 10:39 PM
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Awesome, I just saw it scrolling down the Recents.

I'm getting tired of listening to people that use terms I consider positive to denounce each other.



posted on Sep, 3 2013 @ 10:47 PM
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I never thought I would be giving that guy credit...


You and me both. My impression is that he has usually been a bit of a Republican blowhard, and I take issue with a number of things on the site, especially using InfoWars as a source on occasion.

Also the gratuitous use of the word 'SHOCK'.

I'll throw some respect for someone that's willing to change their tune, even if I don't agree (though in this case I do).



posted on Sep, 4 2013 @ 01:41 AM
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Having trouble deciding what football team you should cheer and support? Awww...decisions, decisions? It´s a bitch.



posted on Sep, 4 2013 @ 04:34 AM
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The only way I would vote Republican is if Rand Paul is the nominee for POTUS.

I wonder, are Democrats as tired of their liars as Republicans?



posted on Sep, 4 2013 @ 06:18 AM
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Drudge is talking sense.
I know a lot of Republicans are bailing on their (R) and going Libertarian. I don't know if the hardcore Democrats will have the guts to do the same and abandon their beloved (D) and vote other party (L) or (G) or (I). I sure hope so.



posted on Sep, 4 2013 @ 06:44 AM
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It has always been Libertarian vs. Authoritarian.

Republican/Conservative is a cover term for Nazism/Fascism and Democrat/Liberal is a cover term for Communism/Socialism. Every time these sick ideologies make it into office their mask starts slipping and their true ugly faces show.



posted on Sep, 4 2013 @ 08:09 AM
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Originally posted by Skyfloating
Republican/Conservative is a cover term for Nazism/Fascism and Democrat/Liberal is a cover term for Communism/Socialism.


This is a common opinion and it is a good example of the subjective assignment of these labels in a pejorative sense.

For instance, most people who would call themselves conservatives would scoff at being considered Nazi or fascist.

Most liberals would be horrified to be considered communists and would at least be hesitant to call themselves socialist.

Semantically speaking, National Socialists are by definition socialist and therefore closer to the left than the right. Similarly, those who associate themselves with the moral right are closer to fascism than they would like to admit.

There are, of course, unapologetic Nazis and communists for which the terms are wholly accurate.

It is worth mentioning that all of these, as described, fall under the authoritarian tent.
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posted on Sep, 4 2013 @ 08:11 AM
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Same here in Canada. Both parties lie, manipulate and twist truth and policies to suit their purpose.

The Feds are being investigated by the RCMP. Provincially, the Liberals are being investigated by the OPP for blowing 1/2 Billion dollars to win a few seats and you read stories every day about local politicians being busted for one thing or another.

Don't you HAVE to be a bit of a pathological liar to even get your foot into politics or climb the corporate ladder these days?

Democracy, honor and integrity have died out with the past generation, I'm afraid.
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