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BUSTED: Summertime Chemtra, errr "Lingering Contrails"

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posted on Sep, 2 2013 @ 05:45 PM
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In 5 pages something is unclear. What exactly is busted?




posted on Sep, 2 2013 @ 05:53 PM
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Originally posted by waynos
In 5 pages something is unclear. What exactly is busted?

Ha ha! Nothing.


I know you know this, waynos, but for the benefit of others...

...It is not a scientific secret that it can certainly be cold enough at 30,000+ feet for contrails to persist -- whether it is the winter or summer. The air at 30,000+ feet is not that much different as the seasons change, because the air is too thin to hold any heat from the Sun at all (either in the summer or the winter).

If cirrus clouds (which are made of ice crystals) can be seen in the Summer, then contrails (which are made of ice crystals) can persist in the summer -- although I'm not saying you need to have cirrus clouds for contrails to persist; it can be cold enough for persistent contrails at 30,000+ feet even on a clear-blue summer day.


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posted on Sep, 2 2013 @ 06:00 PM
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I don't know anything about summertime effects, but I will tell you this. In my entire life I have never seen more than two (three at the most) contrails over my city at one time. In the last six months or so I've seen up to eight lingering contrails zigzagging across my little patch of sky!

If these contrails were all lined up in one direction then I could imagine a lot of flights going between two of the same airports. If they went in only two directions, that would explain planes going to two different airports. These contrails, however, are just all over the place. Makes no sense to me.



posted on Sep, 2 2013 @ 06:05 PM
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These contrails, however, are just all over the place. Makes no sense to me.


That would be wind causing this. You need to remember that winds move in all different directions pushing those contrails around.



posted on Sep, 2 2013 @ 06:10 PM
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Have you ever looked at the map of 24 hours over the US when it comes to air travel? It'll make a lot more sense.



That's just commercial traffic. There are up to 5,000 planes in the sky every minute, and over 80,000 a day.



posted on Sep, 2 2013 @ 06:15 PM
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Originally posted by tsurfer2000h
reply to post by jiggerj
 





These contrails, however, are just all over the place. Makes no sense to me.


That would be wind causing this. You need to remember that winds move in all different directions pushing those contrails around.


Aw no, each contrail is totally straight, heading east to west, north to south, northeast to southwest... all different directions.



posted on Sep, 2 2013 @ 06:16 PM
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Originally posted by Zaphod58
reply to post by jiggerj
 


Have you ever looked at the map of 24 hours over the US when it comes to air travel? It'll make a lot more sense.



That's just commercial traffic. There are up to 5,000 planes in the sky every minute, and over 80,000 a day.


But
not
over
my
sky. lol



posted on Sep, 2 2013 @ 06:19 PM
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Sorry, but over everyone's sky. And there are only going to be more of them as engines get more and more efficient. When the new AETD engine comes online using the ADVENT core, I suspect we're going to see persistent contrails skyrocket, which is going to be good times. Heh.



posted on Sep, 2 2013 @ 06:22 PM
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Originally posted by waynos
In 5 pages something is unclear. What exactly is busted?


the idea that the OP knows anything much about the atmosphere is pretty well busted.

Edit: Oh and here is what AEDT engines are
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posted on Sep, 2 2013 @ 06:25 PM
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Try this. Zoomable.
www.wired.com...

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posted on Sep, 2 2013 @ 07:18 PM
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Originally posted by tsurfer2000h
reply to post by miniatus
 




How dare you use logic.. clearly you're (please choose one or more of the following):

1. sheeple
2. not enlightened
3. not awake
4. illuminati
5. a government shill


All of the above...


good, good admitting it is the 1st step...

I'll grant you "debunkers" this much
you've never provided proof or evidence of your fulminant doctrinal assertions
[uncinus's, and any other of your blogs doesn't cut it...]
we must simply accept them [and your self-perceived superiority] on FAITH.




There's ONE THING, i'll never understand, when it comes to these types of threads. Why do the SAME PEOPLE always try to debunk it? Ok, if we're wrong...then, we're wrong. But, WHY DO YOU PERSIST TO THINK YOU'RE RIGHT?


you don't understand OP?
here's a hint:



"the Purpose of Argument, is to alter the nature of Truth."
- Bene-gesserit aphorism

such is the function of the Thought-Police
we all know how authority is pathologically addicted to falsehood and denial
whatever the purpose of chemtrails is, it's "something they don't want you to know".

BONUS: see if you can match posters on this thread with posters on this one
[1st one's free] metabunk.org...

[yet they demand we take them seriously
]





Originally posted by jiggerj
These contrails, however, are just all over the place. Makes no sense to me.


nor will they ever make sense listening to these "experts"
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posted on Sep, 2 2013 @ 07:25 PM
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Originally posted by Zaphod58
reply to post by jiggerj
 


Sorry, but over everyone's sky. And there are only going to be more of them as engines get more and more efficient. When the new AETD engine comes online using the ADVENT core, I suspect we're going to see persistent contrails skyrocket, which is going to be good times. Heh.


Lol.
OK I'm not touching this debate. Back to the sr-71 searches.
But its good reading keep going y'all
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posted on Sep, 2 2013 @ 07:35 PM
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good, good admitting it is the 1st step...


Sarcasm not your thing I see..




you've never provided proof or evidence of your fulminant doctrinal assertions
[uncinus's, and any other of your blogs doesn't cut it...]
we must simply accept them [and your self-perceived superiority] on FAITH.


No that would be because of science not faith.



BONUS: see if you can match posters on this thread with posters on this one
[1st one's free] metabunk.org...


And, what you can't be a member there as well as here?



posted on Sep, 2 2013 @ 07:39 PM
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This graphic shows the increase in air traffic from 1989 to 2004:




As the years go by, more and more planes are built, more and more people will fly, and more and more contrails will be formed in the sky. Aircraft engine manufacturers are well-aware of the growing problem of contrails being formed in the sky and causing possible weather and climate issues, and are working on ways to reduce contrails.




Originally posted by WonderBoi
I'm surprised at the way these contrails grow in size.

I'm surprised at the lack of knowledge concerning weather and meteorology that should have been basic required learning before graduating from school.

All you need to do is watch some time-lapse videos of clouds, and you can see them forming, spreading out, and dissipating. Since contrails are clouds also, contrails will act exactly the same way.



Originally posted by WonderBoi
The very same science you clap for, you also happen to deny.

That sentence is an oxymoron. You can't deny and accept something at the same time.



Originally posted by WonderBoi
Why do the SAME PEOPLE always try to debunk it?

Not trying to "debunk" so much as trying to educate someone such as yourself with some scientific fact, which is exactly opposite of the "chemtrail" hoax/myth.



Originally posted by WonderBoi
if we're wrong...then, we're wrong. But, WHY DO YOU PERSIST TO THINK YOU'RE RIGHT?

Because science says so. Somehow, "chemtrailers" think they are right, but have zero scientific evidence to back up their claims. Just as this thread says "busted", yet nothing has been shown to be "busted". All you've shown is normal contrails, and normal cirrus clouds.



Originally posted by WonderBoi
And, more importantly, why do you debunkers swear that us logical people are friggin' stupid?

"Logical" is the exact opposite of what someone is when they perpetuate the "chemtrail" hoax/myth. There's nothing "logical" about advertising a subject that has zero scientific evidence to back it up. That is actually illogical.

And not so much "stupid", maybe more like "misinformed", or "lacking knowledge of" a certain subject.



Originally posted by WonderBoi
Save your text-book theories for the class room, and LOOK AT REALITY.

The classroom is where you should've learned about chemistry, meteorology, biology, physics, etc. It's required learning in most schools. The REALITY is that if everyone had payed attention, and/or had been taught the most basic concepts of the sciences, then this "chemtrail" hoax/myth wouldn't exist because the few gullible people that believe in it now would know otherwise.


Now, you've been given numerous links to learn about weather, contrails, etc. What you've done is stuck your fingers in your ears




...and ignored everything we've tried to explain to you. It's up to you to do your own research and learn about how clouds and contrails work in REALITY, otherwise you will continue to perpetuate the false "chemtrail" myth, and be corrected every time.



And by the way, contrails persisted and spread out back in the 1940's:








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posted on Sep, 2 2013 @ 07:51 PM
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Originally posted by tsurfer2000h
reply to post by TheMagus
 





No that would be because of science not faith.






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Originally posted by _BoneZ_
Because science says so.


call it what you will,
you believe unquestionably in words in a book and the word of authorities, that is, when not claiming to be those authorities yourselves, and demand the same unquestioning from all others. no different from any other religious bigot claiming sole possession of a monopoly on Truth.

as I Said before your blogs, ad-homs, ridicule, sophistries, and projections* don't cut it.

*textbook example; sounds more like a con-troller to me:


chemtrailers are among the worst deniers of free speech in social media - pretty much every pro-chemtrail site now bans anyone who questions the core tenants of faith, let alone dares suggest they are wrong.



You guys automatically call hoax/fake- Yet you have no proof to claim hoax/fake. Yet when someone demands proof, you scream foul.you cant be taken seriously. :shk:


and please stop with the silly apps that DO NOT show military or drone flights
only disinformation specialists and their victims claim the spraying comes from commercial flights
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posted on Sep, 2 2013 @ 07:54 PM
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Originally posted by tsurfer2000h
reply to post by TheMagus


BONUS: see if you can match posters on this thread with posters on this one
[1st one's free] metabunk.org...


And, what you can't be a member there as well as here?


not in chemtrail land.

chemtrailers are among the worst deniers of free speech in social media - pretty much every pro-chemtrail site now bans anyone who questions the core tenants of faith, let alone dares suggest they are wrong.

One FB group proudly proclaims that "here you won't be bothered by deniers" or words to that effect.

On the other hand "debunkers" rarely have a problem with such chemmies as actually bother to try to argue their case.

but after a short time of being shown wrong about everything chemmies invariably resort to personal abuse.

Magus above is a case in point - you will notice that he hasn't bothered to try to provide any information to support his point - just abusing everyone who disagrees with him.

At least the OP is (mostly) sticking to trying to support the idea that his photos constitute evidence of chemtrails.......mistaken tho s/he may be. But even s/he has evidently begun to be frustrated by being wrong and descending to the lowest common chemmie denominator "Waah - why do all these people say I'm wrong??"
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posted on Sep, 2 2013 @ 07:59 PM
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Originally posted by _BoneZ_

And by the way, contrails persisted and spread out back in the 1940's:



Really? Ya don't say? I too, can make a picture look like an "old" picture.
Anyway. Here's what it looks like now.



posted on Sep, 2 2013 @ 08:11 PM
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Really? Ya don't say? I too, can make a picture look like an "old" picture.
Can you do this?


How about this. 1965 Outer Limits episode. About 30 seconds in.
www.hulu.com...




Anyway. Here's what it looks like now.

Yep, the front is moving in alright.


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posted on Sep, 2 2013 @ 08:17 PM
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Originally posted by TheMagus
You guys automatically call hoax/fake- Yet you have no proof to claim hoax/fake.

It's "automatic" because knowledge and science says otherwise.

Hoax definition:

- to trick into believing or accepting as genuine something false and often preposterous.


"Chemtrailers" persist in attempting to trick people into believing that contrails aren't supposed to persist. Or that if contrails are criss-crossing, that means they are "chemtrails" being sprayed. Or that if a contrail spreads out across the sky, it's actually a "chemtrail" that was sprayed. Or that naturally occurring elements like aluminum and barium in the ground are from "chemtrails" being sprayed.

All a bunch of fake, false, BS. Knowledge of science and history totally debunks every claim made by "chemtrail" proponents. Not to mention that not one single claim has any scientific evidence to back it up, just furthering the definition that the "chemtrail" myth is a hoax.

"Chemtrail" proponents spread blatantly false information with zero evidence to support their claims. That's proof of the "chemtrail" myth being a hoax.






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posted on Sep, 2 2013 @ 08:17 PM
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Originally posted by WonderBoi
I too, can make a picture look like an "old" picture.

You're doing this again:




What you can't do, is take your "old-looking" picture, and publish it in decades-old books discussing World War 2. Which is where those images I posted are from. Nice try, though (not).



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