Syria: 'Assad Regime Behind Chemical Attack'

By 20 February, protests had spread to the capital Tripoli, leading to a television address by Saif al-Islam Gaddafi, who warned the protestors that their country could descend into civil war. The rising death toll, numbering in the thousands, drew international condemnation and resulted in the resignation of several Libyan diplomats, along with calls for the government's dismantlement.

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Sorry I don't think Libya was stable before Nato involvement.

Originally posted by canucks555

By 20 February, protests had spread to the capital Tripoli, leading to a television address by Saif al-Islam Gaddafi, who warned the protestors that their country could descend into civil war. The rising death toll, numbering in the thousands, drew international condemnation and resulted in the resignation of several Libyan diplomats, along with calls for the government's dismantlement.

en.wikipedia.org...

Sorry I don't think Libya was stable before Nato involvement.

Ah yes wikipedia i have being following the Libyan protests since they got the orders following the victory by Morsy the Muslim Brotherhood victory in Egypt in 2010.

I might include by 20 February the majority of the protesters arent actual protesters from all over Libya they directly came from Benghazi, in Benghazi port the libyans Islamist rebels have created an camp near the port where they could wait for the arms and other military aid coming in.

Oh... You mean there are still some on here that think the Libyan revolt was real? Holy Crap.

Are we going to have to go all the back through that crap again to bring some up to date?

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Sorry to say that the Libyan casualties and protesters were not crisis actors/ actors.
-Not trying to upset anyone...

Originally posted by canucks555
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Sorry to say that the Libyan casualties and protesters were not crisis actors/ actors.
-Not trying to upset anyone...

I never said they were actors. At what point did I say that?

For the love of Jesus if you took the time to read the post right above mine you might actually get where I was going with this.

Gaddafi knew Al Qaeda and other terrorist groups were coming.

Even though you'd think they'd be focusing on the western countries they claim to hate so much... no, they focus on the very last countries there are who are trying to resist western interests.

You couldn't put that much together? Really?

You couldn't figure out that is where I was going with this?...Same thing in Syria.... you couldn't put that together?

Unreal.

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I understand what you're saying. But do you honestly think that everyone agrees on your take of things? Whatever your source may be?
That's a bit egotistical (imo)

Why would my mind change when it comes to propping up dictators and hating my own country and its allies?

You think *poof* you post your take on things and people are suddenly going to regret sending murderous dictators to the promised land?

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Obviously the poster didny mean it was fake, but rather engineered the same as Syria. It wasn't an organic revolution, but insurgents dighting the government. Insurgents that moved in during a tine of civil strife and protest. Basically an army of agent provacatuera/hired guns.

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Well the Ghadaffi sure as hell wasn't going to protect them (the protesters)
More like...shoot them..
I could see where a hired gun might come in handy.

Originally posted by canucks555
reply to post by NotAnAspie

 

I understand what you're saying. But do you honestly think that everyone agrees on your take of things? Whatever your source may be?
That's a bit egotistical (imo)

Why would my mind change when it comes to propping up dictators and hating my own country and its allies?

You think *poof* you post your take on things and people are suddenly going to regret sending murderous dictators to the promised land?

edit on 2-9-2013 by canucks555 because: (no reason given)

No, not because it is my opinion... but because it has been rehashed on this board a trillion times and that is the point in time when people started really looking at Obama as the warmonger he is. That event really put him under the suspicious eye from the likes of your fellow ATS members and this Syria stuff pretty much tears it.

Did you miss all that? I mean there is piece after piece on Gaddafi not really being the bad guy that these staged protests were trying to make him out to be... and that it was all due to special interests and thwarting his multiple plans that did not have the western interests at heart... but it's like you just came through the door and heard nothing about all that.

I mean really, are we going to have to rehash all that and drag it all back out of the conspiracy closet for YOU?

I guess we should start with the videos of the drone attacks that were supposed to be precision hitting regime compounds but were packed with so much shrapnel that it spread across entire communities putting gashes and fatal wounds all over civilians and children... you know, the people it was supposed to be PROTECTING?

You are apparently so behind in your homework that yes, I feel a little bit of resentment for you trying to bring it back up like I'm the only person that sees how fake it was. NO... I'M NOT.

I mean the lies themselves are annoying. The lies stuck on replay are enough to make anyone want to smash the player against the wall.

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Umm. But an army of fundamentalist hired guns that killed way more people than ghaddafi was? He used to be horrible, but it seems in this decade he was doing a lot ofr his people. His country's downfall was planned and not spontaneous. He gave evetyone a home. Money from the nations oil. Gave farmers farmland and money. Gave every married couple money. Paid for anyone wanting to attend college abroad.

It seems you are very naive when it comes to Ghaddafi.

Look. The people in those countries sometimes need help when it comes to not killing one another. We can stand back and let them kill one another, which a lot of people think, (and which imo holds a lot of weight) -or we can try our best to do what's necessary. Bringing order to the situation.
Tonight there are two million Syrian refugees.
Clearly there's a problem and clearly Assad cannot handle the situation, regardless of who he's fighting.
I completely respect any ones opinion on just staying the hell out of it, but at the same time I feel that something will have to be done soon..At some point it may become the worlds responsibility to act.

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We have no intention to brng order to the situation. Again, that assertion shows that you are naive. If anything we will further destabilize. When we are finished the whole middle east will be destabilized.

Originally posted by canucks555
Look. The people in those countries sometimes need help when it comes to not killing one another. We can stand back and let them kill one another, which a lot of people think, (and which imo holds a lot of weight) -or we can try our best to do what's necessary. Bringing order to the situation.
Tonight there are two million Syrian refugees.
Clearly there's a problem and clearly Assad cannot handle the situation, regardless of who he's fighting.
I completely respect any ones opinion on just staying the hell out of it, but at the same time I feel that something will have to be done soon..At some point it may become the worlds responsibility to move in.

edit on 3-9-2013 by canucks555 because: (no reason given)

the government already admitted that they knew other countries were sending in weapons and people to start trouble in syria. That government is supporting the countries making the trouble. We are also putting american tax dollars toward more weapons in Syria. For your information, guns do not heal bullet wounds, they create them.

2 +2 ......

LOOK... Get a calculator if it will help.

double post

the government already admitted that they knew other countries were sending in weapons and people to start trouble in syria. That government is supporting the countries making the trouble.

You mean the Iranian government?

Yes unfortunately it's become a proxy war. That will happen in unstable countries.
The Iranians have always been an admitted enemy of the west, it's no surprise all the big players would use Syria as a way to show their appreciation towards one another,

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Again... you knoe so little about the conflict. Why even bother commenting? No, not Iran. Iran supports Assad. The ones sending in weapons and causing trouble in Syria (and paying fighters from benghazi, Saudi A, and other countries) is Saudi Arabia. Prince Bandar is the one doing it.

Originally posted by totallackey
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What probably makes this one more interesting is that the French seem much more up for military action than anyone else.

The French have always been, "much more up for military action," until they start getting their asses kicked...then they whine and beg for help from other countries...

The French should just shut up and keep making our porn...

Why not provide us with some concrete prood of how modern day French military whine and beg for help?... stop living in the past...

Typical arrogance and total ignorance from a person who refuses to take his/her blinkers off... i wonder which country you hail from Total?

I suppose you did not follow the last intervention by the French in Mali?

Too busy believing that your country is the worlds saviour i guess?

Rodinus

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People should not be so quick to jump on the "Assad uses Chemical weapons against his own people" bandwagon. There are many inconsistancies with the story currently being touted in the western media and press.

Why did this happen as UN weapons Inspectors happened to be in Syria to investigate the previous suspected use of Chemical weapons. I think the timing is very suspicious to say the least.

Why on earth would Assad use these weapons on his own people when he is clearly winning the conflict in Syria in any case...it makes no sense

But the most importantly evidence that this was the work of the FSA is that the Chemical agents that Assad has like Mustard Gas,VX & Sarin are known as "persistant agents" and have clearly visible symptoms like convulsions and discoluring of the skin. All news footage of the victims of this attack show symptoms that are inconsistant with the use of the type of weapons Assad has.

And probably most importantly of all the VX gas and Sarin gas would persist on the victims clothes and hair BUT we have clearly seen victims in the aftermath of this attack being treated by Doctors and Emergency workers who are not wearing any Chemical protection suits. if these agents were indeed Sarin of VX nerve gas then the people helping these victims would also be dead and that is not the case.

It is now thought by experts looking at the footage that the symptoms shown as probably caused by Industrial chemicals and poisons and NOT actual Chemical warfare weapons.

So ....is this a crude attempt to again try and blame Assad for an atrocity he did not commit to get the World's attention and possibly force Obama to react by allowing more weapons to the Rebels or even threatening new Military action against Assad. ?

But a final thought....somebody decided to launch these weapons into residential areas in Damacus and murder Men, Women and Children and that is truly Shocking & Unforgiveable....

France released an intelligence report on Monday alleging chemical weapons use by Syria’s regime that dovetailed with similar U.S. claims, as President Bashar Assad warned that any military strike against his country would spark an uncontrollable regional war and spread “chaos and extremism.”

www.lepoint.fr...

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I agree with both you and Notanaspie. It's really very peculiar that the specific countries that have been basically crippled by internal strife have been those two specific countries. Al Qaeda, most notably, has made remarks against Israel (and the US) repeatedly in its dialogues.

Bahar al-Assad is a known critic of both the US and of Israel:

He claimed that Arab resistance was growing stronger, and warned Israel that "your warplanes, rockets, and your atomic bomb will not protect you in the future." He called Israel an enemy with whom no peace could be achieved as long as they and their allies (especially the U.S.) support the practice of preemptive war.

en.wikipedia.org...

Now, Assad has made rather biased statements towards Hezbollah, a rival of al Qaeda in the past; however, al Qaeda and Hezbollah apparently have joined forces in the past when united by the common goal of being against Israel and the US according to the Council of Foreign Relations: www.cfr.org...

Gaddafi was especially critical of the U.S. due to their support for Israel. Heck, Gaddafi supported/enforced Sharia law--just like what al Qaeda preferred (www.euronews.com... ) However, he also condemned the 9/11 attacks by al-Qaeda and in the end, after accusing the rebels of being linked with al Qaeda, he chose death over leaving his country. And golly, he was right: www.vice.com...

Last I checked, Gaddafi and Assad hadn't struck the US homeland...but al Qaeda did. So, I have to ask "wth?" because all of the above makes very little sense. Wth?