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To the Atheist: A reason Christians get heated when defending their belief.

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posted on Sep, 7 2013 @ 12:12 AM
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*facepalm*

So after all this... And references from Jesus telling you factually "you do not know when"

You still claim to know the date of a mythological rapture??

Some of you Christians are beyond hope





posted on Sep, 7 2013 @ 03:46 AM
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Originally posted by truejew

Originally posted by BELIEVERpriest
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Daniel's 70th week proves that Israel only has 7 years left on its time clock.


The 70 weeks was fulfilled when Jesus was crucified. The only reason to claim it wasn't is to try to disprove Jesus as Messias and replace Him with the Antichrist.


Ummmmm no biblical basis for this.



posted on Sep, 7 2013 @ 03:47 AM
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Originally posted by Akragon
reply to post by ServantOfTheLamb
 


*facepalm*

So after all this... And references from Jesus telling you factually "you do not know when"

You still claim to know the date of a mythological rapture??

Some of you Christians are beyond hope



He tells us we will not know the day or hour, he does not say that there was no hint of the time frame.



posted on Sep, 7 2013 @ 03:57 AM
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Originally posted by ServantOfTheLamb

Originally posted by truejew

Originally posted by BELIEVERpriest
reply to post by ServantOfTheLamb
 


Daniel's 70th week proves that Israel only has 7 years left on its time clock.


The 70 weeks was fulfilled when Jesus was crucified. The only reason to claim it wasn't is to try to disprove Jesus as Messias and replace Him with the Antichrist.


Ummmmm no biblical basis for this.


Yes, there is. Jesus was the one crucified to bring an end to sin.



posted on Sep, 7 2013 @ 04:03 AM
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Originally posted by truejew

Originally posted by ServantOfTheLamb

Originally posted by truejew

Originally posted by BELIEVERpriest
reply to post by ServantOfTheLamb
 


Daniel's 70th week proves that Israel only has 7 years left on its time clock.


The 70 weeks was fulfilled when Jesus was crucified. The only reason to claim it wasn't is to try to disprove Jesus as Messias and replace Him with the Antichrist.


Ummmmm no biblical basis for this.


Yes, there is. Jesus was the one crucified to bring an end to sin.


Ok thats great you have an opinion now show me what formed it.



posted on Sep, 7 2013 @ 04:09 AM
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Originally posted by ServantOfTheLamb

Originally posted by truejew

Originally posted by ServantOfTheLamb

Originally posted by truejew

Originally posted by BELIEVERpriest
reply to post by ServantOfTheLamb
 


Daniel's 70th week proves that Israel only has 7 years left on its time clock.


The 70 weeks was fulfilled when Jesus was crucified. The only reason to claim it wasn't is to try to disprove Jesus as Messias and replace Him with the Antichrist.


Ummmmm no biblical basis for this.


Yes, there is. Jesus was the one crucified to bring an end to sin.


Ok thats great you have an opinion now show me what formed it.


You do not believe that Jesus was the Messias spoken of in Daniel 9? The one prophesied to be cut off after the 69th week (in the midst of the 70th week)?

This is basic Christian doctrine, that Jesus was the one crucified to bring an end to sin.
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posted on Sep, 7 2013 @ 04:37 AM
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Originally posted by truejew

Originally posted by ServantOfTheLamb

Originally posted by truejew

Originally posted by ServantOfTheLamb

Originally posted by truejew

Originally posted by BELIEVERpriest
reply to post by ServantOfTheLamb
 


Daniel's 70th week proves that Israel only has 7 years left on its time clock.


The 70 weeks was fulfilled when Jesus was crucified. The only reason to claim it wasn't is to try to disprove Jesus as Messias and replace Him with the Antichrist.


Ummmmm no biblical basis for this.


Yes, there is. Jesus was the one crucified to bring an end to sin.


Ok thats great you have an opinion now show me what formed it.


You do not believe that Jesus was the Messias spoken of in Daniel 9? The one prophesied to be cut off after the 69th week (in the midst of the 70th week)?

This is basic Christian doctrine, that Jesus was the one crucified to bring an end to sin.
edit on 7-9-2013 by truejew because: (no reason given)


I never said I didnt believe he was the Messiah or that he wasn't crucified you are putting words in my mouth, but you are misinterpreting the text that is why you think the 70 weeks are complete.




Know and understand this: From the time the word goes out to restore and rebuild Jerusalem until the Anointed One,[f] the ruler, comes, there will be seven ‘sevens,’ and sixty-two ‘sevens.’ It will be rebuilt with streets and a trench, but in times of trouble. 26 After the sixty-two ‘sevens,’ the Anointed One will be put to death and will have nothing.[


So after 69 weeks Jesus was put to death, when this happened Gods count down on the 70 weeks stopped.




But do not forget this one thing, dear friends: With the Lord a day is like a thousand years, and a thousand years are like a day. 9 The Lord is not slow in keeping his promise, as some understand slowness. Instead he is patient with you, not wanting anyone to perish, but everyone to come to repentance.


Now it is important to remember had the Israelite s accepted him the first time around it would have been to be the end of all suffering, and the Church Age was never supposed to happen it was contingent upon the Israelite s choice. Now we are in a gap between the 69th week and 70th week. Its length depends on Gods patience with us. Now to the last seven.




The people of the ruler who will come will destroy the city and the sanctuary. The end will come like a flood: War will continue until the end, and desolations have been decreed. 27 He will confirm a covenant with many for one ‘seven.’[h] In the middle of the ‘seven’ he will put an end to sacrifice and offering. And at the temple[j] he will set up an abomination that causes desolation, until the end that is decreed is poured out on him.


This is referring to the tribulation friend. The last week of Daniel. The part referring to the middle of this seven is referring to the Antichrist, not Jesus. It looks to me like you are the one replacing Jesus with the Antichrist..



posted on Sep, 7 2013 @ 07:57 AM
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You know the end is near when christians denyvthe rapture, trinity and the 70th week. The Holy Spirit is part of the trinity. To deny Him is to turn down eternal life.



posted on Sep, 7 2013 @ 08:09 AM
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Daniel 9:24 Seventy weeks have been determined upon thy people, and upon the holy city, for sin to be ended, and to seal up transgressions, and to blot out the iniquities, and to make atonement for iniquities, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal the vision and the prophet, and to anoint the Most Holy.


[The purpose of the 70 weeks was for sin to be ended, seal up transgressions, to blot out iniquities, make atonement for iniquities, bring in everlasting righteousness, seal the vision and the prophet and anoint the most Holy. All was fulfilled by Jesus when He was crucified.]


Daniel 9:25 And thou shalt know and understand, that from the going forth of the command for the answer and for the building of Jerusalem until Christ the prince there shall be seven weeks, and sixty-two weeks; and then the time shall return, and the street shall be built, and the wall, and the times shall be exhausted.


Daniel 9:26 And after the sixty-two weeks, the anointed one shall be destroyed, and there is no judgment in him: and he shall destroy the city and the sanctuary with the prince that is coming: they shall be cut off with a flood, and to the end of the war which is rapidly completed he shall appoint the city to desolations.

[After the 69th week (during the 70th week) the Messias is crucified. The Messias then destroys the city and sanctuary with Titus in 70 AD. This destruction appoints the city to desolations.]


Daniel 9:27 And one week shall establish the covenant with many: and in the midst of the week my sacrifice and drink-offering shall be taken away: and on the temple shall be the abomination of desolations; and at the end of time an end shall be put to the desolation.

[For one week, the 70th week, Messias establishes the new covenant with many. In the midst of the 70th week, Messias causes His sacrifice and drink-offering to be taken away. The desolations on the temple that began in 70 AD shall come to an end at the end of time. After the destruction of the third temple.]


Jesus Christ fulfilled the 70 weeks, no one else will.



posted on Sep, 7 2013 @ 08:14 AM
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Originally posted by BELIEVERpriest
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You know the end is near when christians denyvthe rapture, trinity and the 70th week. The Holy Spirit is part of the trinity. To deny Him is to turn down eternal life.


I do not deny the rapture, just the pre-trib rapture. I do not deny the 70th week, I believe Christ fulfilled it. I do not deny the Holy Spirit, I only deny that He is only part of God.



posted on Sep, 7 2013 @ 01:50 PM
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Seventy weeks are determined upon your people and your Holy City to finish transgression, to put an end to sin, to atone for wickedness, to bring in everlasting righteousness, to seal up vision and prophecy and to anoint the most Holy (place) (Daniel 9:24).

Sitting upon His heavenly throne, God decreed that six things would be accomplished for Daniel’s people (Israel) and Daniel’s Holy City (Jerusalem) during a specified period of 490 years. (I’ve inserted the word “place” after Holy at the end of the verse to clarify the fact that it refers to the Jewish Temple in Jerusalem.) We should be aware that in Hebrew these things read a little differently.
Literally, God had determined to;
1. restrict or restrain the transgression (also translated rebellion)
2. seal up their sins (as if putting them away in a sealed container)
3. make atonement (restitution) for their iniquity
4. bring them into a state of everlasting righteousness
5. seal up (same word as #2) vision and prophecy
6. anoint (consecrate) the most Holy place (sanctuary)

In plain language, God would put an end to their rebellion against Him, put away their sins and pay the penalties they had accrued, bring the people into a state of perpetual righteousness, fulfill the remaining prophecies, and anoint the Temple. This was to be accomplished through their Messiah (Jesus) because no one else could do it. Had they accepted Him as their savior their rebellion against God would have ended. Their sins would have all been forgiven, and the full penalty paid for them. They would have entered into a state of eternal righteousness, all their prophecies would have been fulfilled and the rebuilt temple would have been consecrated. It should be noted here that although it appears to have been accepted by Him, God never dwelt in the 2nd Temple, nor was the ark of the covenant and its mercy seat ever present therein.



posted on Sep, 7 2013 @ 01:58 PM
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In Luke 19:41-45, Jesus reminded the people of the specific nature of this prophecy. As he approached Jerusalem and saw the city, he wept over it and said, “If you, even you, had only known on this day what would bring you peace–but now it is hidden from your eyes. The days will come upon you when your enemies will build an embankment against you and encircle you and hem you in on every side. They will dash you to the ground, you and the children within your walls. They will not leave one stone on another, because you did not recognize the time of God’s coming to you.” He held them accountable for knowing Daniel 9:24-27.

A few days later He extended that accountability to those who would be alive in Israel during the End Times. “So when you see standing in the holy place ‘the abomination that causes desolation,’ spoken of through the prophet Daniel–let the reader understand– then let those who are in Judea flee to the mountains. (Matt 24:15-16) They will also be required to understand Daniel 9.



posted on Sep, 7 2013 @ 02:00 PM
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After the sixty two weeks the Anointed One will be cut off and have nothing. The people of the ruler who will come will destroy the city and the sanctuary. The end will come like a flood: War will continue till the end and desolations have been decreed (Daniel 9:26). First came 7 sevens (49 years) and then 62 sevens (434 years) for a total of 69 sevens or 483 years. The Hebrew word for Anointed One is Mashaich (Messiah in English). At the end of this 2nd period their Messiah would be cut off, which means to be executed or literally destroyed in the making of a covenant, having received none of the honor, glory and blessing the Scriptures promised Him.

Make no mistake about it. Jesus had to die so these 6 promises could come true. No one else in Heaven or on Earth could accomplish this. We can only imagine how different things would have been if they had accepted Him as their Messiah and let Him die for their sins so He could bring them into everlasting righteousness with His resurrection. But of course God knew they wouldn’t, so He had to do things the hard way. Do you realize what that means? It wasn’t killing the Messiah that put the Jews at odds with God. After all He came to die for them. No. It’s that in killing Him, they refused to let His death pay for their sins so He could save them. This had the effect of making His death meaningless to them. That’s what severed the relationship. Because of that, we now get the first hint that all would not go well.

Following the crucifixion the people of a ruler yet to come would destroy Jerusalem and the Temple, the same Temple that God decreed would be consecrated. The Israelites would be scattered abroad and peace would elude the world. We all know that Jesus was crucified and 38 years later the Romans put the torch to the city and the Temple destroying both. Surviving Jews were forced to flee for their lives and in the ensuing 2000 years I don’t believe a single generation has escaped involvement in a war of some kind.

After the crucifixion something strange happened: The Heavenly clock stopped. 69 of the 70 weeks had passed and all that was prophesied to happen during those 483 years had come to pass but there was still one week (7 years) left. There are hints in the Old Testament that the clock had stopped several times before in Israel’s history when for one reason or another they were either under subjugation or out of the land. And in the New Testament we’re also given hints that while God is dealing with the Church, time ceases to exist for Israel (Acts 15:13-18). But the clearest indication of the stopped clock is that the events foretold in Daniel 9:27 simply haven’t happened yet.



posted on Sep, 7 2013 @ 02:04 PM
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He will confirm a covenant with many for one week. In the middle of the week he will put an end to sacrifice and offering. And on a wing of the Temple he will set up an abomination that causes desolation until the end that is decreed is poured out on him(9:27). It’s vital to our understanding of the End Times that we realize two things here. First, the Age of Grace didn’t follow the Age of Law, it merely interrupted the Age of Law seven years short of its promised duration. These seven years have to be completed for God to accomplish the six things the angel listed in verse 24 for Israel. And second, the Age of Grace was not the next step in the progression of God’s overall plan, but was a deviation from it. Once the rapture comes, nothing like the Age of Grace will ever happen again (Ephes. 2:6-7). Even when Israel accepts the New Covenant, as Jeremiah 31:31-34 promises, they won’t enjoy the same benefits the Church has enjoyed. The relationship the Church has with the Lord will never be repeated with any other group. Ever. But before we try to understand the 70th week let’s review a rule of grammar that will help make our interpretation of verse 27 correct

. The rule is this: Pronouns refer us back to the closest previous noun. “He”, being a personal pronoun, refers to the closest previous personal noun, in this case “the ruler who will come.” So a ruler who will come from the territory of the old Roman Empire will confirm a 7 year covenant with Israel that permits them to build a Temple and re-instate their Old Covenant worship system.

3 1/2 years later he will violate the covenant by setting up an abomination that causes the Temple to become desolate, putting an end to their worship. This abomination brings the wrath of God down upon him and he will be destroyed. The most obvious way in which we know these things haven’t happened is that the Jewish Old Covenant worship system requires a Temple and there hasn’t been one since 70 AD when the Romans destroyed it.



posted on Sep, 7 2013 @ 02:04 PM
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Some say this prophecy was fulfilled during the Roman destruction but most believe it’s yet future, partly because of the term Abomination that causes Desolation. It’s a specific insult to God that has happened only once previously. Antiochus Epiphanes, a powerful Syrian king, had attacked Jerusalem and entered the Temple area in 168BC. There he had sacrificed a pig on the Temple altar and erected a statue of the Greek god Zeus with his own face on it. He then required everyone to worship it on pain of death. This rendered the Temple unfit for worshiping God and so incensed the Jews that they revolted and defeated the Syrians. This is all recorded in Jewish history (1st Maccabees) where it’s called the Abomination of Desolation. The subsequent cleansing of the Temple is celebrated to this day in the Feast of Hanukkah.



aul warned us that in the latter days a world leader will become so powerful that he will exalt himself above everything that is called god or is worshiped and will stand in the Temple proclaiming himself to be God (2 Thes 2:4). In Rev 13:14-15 we’re told that he’ll have a statue of himself erected and require everyone to worship it on pain of death. In Matt 24:15-21 Jesus said that the Abomination that causes Desolation spoken of by Daniel will kick off the Great Tribulation, a period of time 3 1/2 years long that coincides with the last half of Daniel’s 70th week. The similarities between this coming event and the one from history being so obvious, most scholars are persuaded that one points to the other since nothing in the intervening years fits so completely.

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posted on Sep, 7 2013 @ 02:17 PM
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Some people can only copy others work and not give credit.

I'm more interested in what the Bible teaches.
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posted on Sep, 7 2013 @ 03:02 PM
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You are vastly misinterpreting the Bible friend, but as long as you believe Jesus is your lord and savior, and is One with God you understand all that you need to.



posted on Sep, 7 2013 @ 05:09 PM
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No. I am interpreting it correctly. Your view has the Antichrist making the sacrifice to end the sacrifice. It is Jesus who made the final sacrifice.



posted on Sep, 8 2013 @ 04:52 AM
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No. I am interpreting it correctly. Your view has the Antichrist making the sacrifice to end the sacrifice. It is Jesus who made the final sacrifice.


I don't think you read anything ....



posted on Sep, 8 2013 @ 06:24 AM
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Originally posted by ServantOfTheLamb

Originally posted by truejew
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No. I am interpreting it correctly. Your view has the Antichrist making the sacrifice to end the sacrifice. It is Jesus who made the final sacrifice.


I don't think you read anything ....


Yes, I read your non-sourced multiple post quote. I will post a response to it once you say where it is from.



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