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Time to take action on not taking action in Syria

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posted on Sep, 1 2013 @ 10:50 AM
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This ruse has gone way too far. We need to contact our congresspimples and demand a no vote on the false flag operation in Syria. It's just WAY too obvious that release of chemical weapons was facilitated by western clandestine agencies. The goal here is turmoil in the Mideast to keep countries from actually realizing their natural resources.

It's plain to see that the current US admin has an agenda that has no regard whatsoever for facts, or for humanity.

Assad would never invite hostile superpowers to topple his regime. He's not stupid. He knows he can't win.

The disinformation machine is hard at work and it's apparent. The "it's for the children" thing is typical CIA disinformation. There's a reason that it's confusing as to who actually released the chemical weapons. They were funneled in by the CIA. The US clandestine services don't care about either side, so a false flag that kills a bunch of rebels is no skin off their back.

Time to call Obama out on this one. Time to call congress. Phone calls are best. Emails are too impersonal and don't show them you are serious. Time to get serious.




posted on Sep, 1 2013 @ 11:09 AM
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reply to post by lynxpilot
 


Even if congress votes NO, Obama and the patriot act give him the ability to act without congress.

All in the name of National Security.



posted on Sep, 1 2013 @ 11:14 AM
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Agreed shane. Patriot Act, War Powers Act, Executive Orders, and a host of similar things which put undue and unintended power in the hands of the president are things we'll have to address once the incumbent government is removed.



posted on Sep, 1 2013 @ 11:24 AM
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TPTB are hell bent on going to war. I think David Cameron also said if it came to the crunch he'd by-pass parliament. TBH you should save the phone bill money and buy extra emergency supplies.



posted on Sep, 1 2013 @ 11:27 AM
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Obomba says they plan to go to congress, and they are confident that congress will let them..

But if they disapprove what would stop him?

Both Reagan and Clinton broke the War Powers Resolution of 1973.. and congress "disapproved". That's it.

These more recent acts (Patriot act, etc.) give the administration even more power.. so again:

what would stop him?

Citing Sarin Gas Use, US Confident Congress Will OK Military Force in Syria

War Powers Resolution 1973 WIKI
edit on 1-9-2013 by AsarAlubat because: added links



posted on Sep, 1 2013 @ 11:42 AM
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Originally posted by lynxpilot
This ruse has gone way too far. We need to contact our congresspimples and demand a no vote on the false flag operation in Syria. It's just WAY too obvious that release of chemical weapons was facilitated by western clandestine agencies. The goal here is turmoil in the Mideast to keep countries from actually realizing their natural resources.

It's plain to see that the current US admin has an agenda that has no regard whatsoever for facts, or for humanity.

Assad would never invite hostile superpowers to topple his regime. He's not stupid. He knows he can't win.

The disinformation machine is hard at work and it's apparent. The "it's for the children" thing is typical CIA disinformation. There's a reason that it's confusing as to who actually released the chemical weapons. They were funneled in by the CIA. The US clandestine services don't care about either side, so a false flag that kills a bunch of rebels is no skin off their back.

Time to call Obama out on this one. Time to call congress. Phone calls are best. Emails are too impersonal and don't show them you are serious. Time to get serious.


I love a good conspiracy, but sometimes it's just shear nonsense. You really don't know much about how counter intelligence works. Your off your rocker if you think we had anything to do with Syria using chemical weapons. This guy has the largest stock pile of chemical weapons in the world outside of Russia. He has used them before.

Just like sadam did. You don't stockpile that much of this stuff like he has done and think anyone else used them. He is like a cornered animal, he is willing to do anything to stay in power. The only question sane people had was did the rebels do it.

But when you look at the tech we know the rebels don't have it. This is not like making an ied, this stuff is inert until you mix it and get it ready for dispersal. They don't, rebels, have the expertise of the rockets to deliver this.

We have birds up and we are watching this whole war. We know Assad did it. But to be totally honest we want assad to remain in power. We don't want all these groups, including AQ, and hezballa to get their hands on this stuff. It is the most dangerous thing we face in the world.

We need Assad to remain in control of this crap. Look if it looks like is ready to fall we might not have any choice but put boots on the ground to secure this stuff. The worst thing that could happen for the whole world is chemical and biological weapons in terrorist hands. Are you serious, get a grip.

The Bot



posted on Sep, 1 2013 @ 11:54 AM
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I agree with the OP in saying it is time to make the phone calls, send the Emails and make our voices known. We're not that far from mid-term elections, as they think of things in Washington, and it matters right now.

NOTHING in the Patriot Act gave the President powers over the Congressional role of declaring War. The War Powers Act LIMITS him. It doesn't give him more. It says if he gets us into a fight, it had BETTER be a very short one because he's in open violation of the law on the 61st day of hostilities without Congressional Approval.

The House is exceptionally partisan and opposed to this President. They WOULD impeach over that. No question in my mind, whatsoever. It's almost openly inviting it, for how blatant the basis would be. It's not a scandal law violation like the IRS or something someone else did. It would be a personal and individual violation by Obama, as a man. Actionable violation.

I'm old enough to recall George H.W. Bush being told his "Presidency would die in the sands of Kuwait" if he fired a shot without Congressional approval. That was well into deployment and for a WHOLE lot better cause than anything here. Let him TRY and do this if Congress says no. That will end his Presidency, IMO.



posted on Sep, 1 2013 @ 11:57 AM
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The fact that their only solution to the Syrian conflict is to drop more bombs is enough of a case not to become involved, besides the domestic and international legal implications..



posted on Sep, 1 2013 @ 12:00 PM
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I don't think Obama will override congress if they vote no. What is the point of giving them a say to begin with if he is planning to do what he wants in the end? I don't see it happening.



posted on Sep, 1 2013 @ 12:01 PM
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As one thread on here already asked .... where are all the antiwar protestors?
Hundreds of thousands .. in city after city .. when Bush43 went into Iraq.
(and there was a much better case for war in Iraq - millions of people murdered by Saddam)
So where are all the anti-war protestors now when (D) Obama says we need to go to war
over 1500 people who died in that chemical incident???



posted on Sep, 1 2013 @ 12:13 PM
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Originally posted by lynxpilot

Time to get serious.

Seriously? Making a couple phone calls and sending a few irate emails (or writing internet posts) is not "taking action". You've been brainwashed your entire lives to believe that "civic participation" is a social virtue, and that you must work within the system to change it.

And they've got you by the short and curlies right there. The time for words is over.



posted on Sep, 1 2013 @ 12:27 PM
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True but there is no" National Security" here it is in Syria, in a Syrian civil war! We have no national security interests in or from Syria this is why Obama must have/ get Congressional approval. yes he can act on 60 days with out but that is a fine line: Does Syria pose a direct threat to the US? are US forces Threatened? no and no

The Issue is: does the US Briton ok the use of Chemicals in a war by other nations?
Briton says yes so why not go along with that and let it be, it is not the first time Chemicals have been used in a war nor will it be the last. is the US to be the worlds police force?



posted on Sep, 1 2013 @ 12:27 PM
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Originally posted by NthOther

Originally posted by lynxpilot

Time to get serious.

Seriously? Making a couple phone calls and sending a few irate emails (or writing internet posts) is not "taking action". You've been brainwashed your entire lives to believe that "civic participation" is a social virtue, and that you must work within the system to change it.

And they've got you by the short and curlies right there. The time for words is over.


There's only so much action you can call for publicly. If ya know what I mean.



posted on Sep, 1 2013 @ 12:31 PM
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Asleep or yawning, saying asking where is the real threat ? A do nothing Pres from a do nothing Congress? this is all talk..... the vote will be NO and that will be that, Obama will go down as the talk big do nothing Pres that let a Chemical warfare go unpunished as it should be.



posted on Sep, 1 2013 @ 12:33 PM
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You're still buying that no one is protesting?



posted on Sep, 1 2013 @ 01:12 PM
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reply to post by Kali74
 


Well I saw more people protesting Mcdonalds than Syria.

Just saying.



posted on Sep, 1 2013 @ 01:20 PM
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Of course you did, the narrative is set. Liberals/Left are lazy (want to get paid for nothing) and only protest when a Republican President calls for military action. Large protests across the nation aren't happening because we're all Obamabots...




posted on Sep, 1 2013 @ 01:57 PM
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Originally posted by wrabbit2000
I'm old enough to recall George H.W. Bush being told his "Presidency would die in the sands of Kuwait" if he fired a shot without Congressional approval. That was well into deployment and for a WHOLE lot better cause than anything here. Let him TRY and do this if Congress says no. That will end his Presidency, IMO.


Let's hope you're right on that. We could all use a new... puppet?


I guess my question would be, how much has congress's stance changed in the last 20+ years?

-AA



posted on Sep, 1 2013 @ 01:59 PM
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We need to just all keep our noses out, maybe then the world would be a better place?

So many different views on the matter, I have no idea what to think



posted on Sep, 1 2013 @ 02:28 PM
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Oh, I'd say Congress was nicer back then. They at least managed to pass budgets once a year and do a few meaningful things without a public fight for every step of it.

It'd be a national circus for months to see pushed that way today. Both sides have their hyper-partisan people, and the ones on the right wouldn't stop until Obama had been brought up for trial before the Senate if he outright crossed the line in clear ways.

They may just vote for it too, though. A fair number of Democrats voted for Iraq, to actually look at the roll call on it. In the end, they're all weasels, but Obama would walk into the ultimate "Gotcha" if he went, after they vote no, IMO.




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