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Originally posted by ArdenWolf
reply to post by tanka418
Alright, I'll play. I don't believe there's any Venusians involved, and I admit skepticism on yours or anyone's claim of natural telepathy. But, let's assume natural and non technological telepathy is possible. Let's then also assume these "venutian's" are far more advanced than we are, and may have been around us for awhile. Let's also assume unlike your dog, they are higher order intellectuals like us. The main hindrance to telepathy I would think is understanding not species. If both they and us share symbolic understanding, it would be logical communicative telepathy would be easier between us, than you with your dog. Assuming these things, or even just the, they've been at it awhile and thus have the skill to overcome that barrier. The, they couldn't communicate telepathically, is not a good argument. Since we don't even know which telepathic communications they use or the mechanics behind them.
In scientific research evidence is accumulated through observations of phenomena that occur in the natural world, or which are created as experiments in a laboratory or other controlled conditions. Scientific evidence usually goes towards supporting or rejecting a hypothesis.
One must always remember that the burden of proof is on the person making a contentious claim. Within science, this translates to the burden resting on presenters of a paper, in which the presenters argue for their specific findings. This paper is placed before a panel of judges where the presenter must defend the thesis against all challenges.
When evidence is contradictory to predicted expectations, the evidence and the ways of making it are often closely scrutinized (see experimenter's regress) and only at the end of this process is the hypothesis rejected: this can be referred to as 'refutation of the hypothesis'. The rules for evidence used by science are collected systematically in an attempt to avoid the bias inherent to anecdotal evidence.
Originally posted by AngryCymraeg
Can we please readdress the fact that Venus is too much of an armpit (hot, poisonous, too much atmospheric pressure) to give rise to intelligent life?
Originally posted by raymundoko
reply to post by poet1b
As a scientist I know what scientific evidence is. You are confusing types of evidence. Your evidence is anecdotal.
Anecdotal evidence does not qualify as scientific evidence because its nature prevents it from being investigated using the scientific method. Misuse of anecdotal evidence is an informal fallacy.edit on 3-9-2013 by raymundoko because: (no reason given)
In science, empirical evidence is required for a hypothesis to gain acceptance in the scientific community. Normally, this validation is achieved by the scientific method of hypothesis commitment, experimental design, peer review, adversarial review, reproduction of results, conference presentation and journal publication. This requires rigorous communication of hypothesis (usually expressed in mathematics), experimental constraints and controls (expressed necessarily in terms of standard experimental apparatus), and a common understanding of measurement.
Of course if there are aliens, I personally think dicking with the primitives for personal enjoyment is a favorite past time as it makes so much more sense to me with all the claims that are out there than the claims do themselves. I don't deny a lot of this may occur, more I argue against it actually being what it seems at face value.
I also argue against the concept that aliens would necessarily be above such things. We're quick to make them just sinister, or really crazy nice and spiritual, but so quick to discount that they could just be complete and total dicks for which we are little more than a source of amusement.
Hey guys, I really appreciate your interest, but could we get off "science" and get back to discussing The Law of One, and the Orion?
Originally posted by Chamberf=6
reply to post by sled735
no more science.
I am Ra. I am a comprehensive repository of all knowledge past, present, and future. I have come to your plane to tell you; "NO SCIENCE". Listen to me and believe everything I say.
Ra signing out