Originally posted by BO XIAN
reply to post by FlyersFan
Wrong. The catching away IS IN THESSALONIANS!
The problem with all of the positions (except the historic, post-tribulational view, which was accepted by all Christians, including non-premillennialists) is that they split the Second Coming into different events. In the case of the pre-trib view, Christ is thought to have three comings—one when he was born in Bethlehem, one when he returns for the rapture at the tribulation’s beginning, and one at tribulation’s end, when he establishes the millennium. This three-comings view is foreign to Scripture.
Problems with the pre-tribulational view are highlighted by Baptist (and premillennial) theologian Dale Moody, who wrote: "Belief in a pre-tribulational rapture . . . contradicts all three chapters in the New Testament that mention the tribulation and the rapture together (Mark 13:24–27; Matt. 24:26–31; 2 Thess. 2:1–12). . . . The theory is so biblically bankrupt that the usual defense is made using three passages that do not even mention a tribulation (John 14:3; 1 Thess. 4:17; 1 Cor. 15:52). These are important passages, but they have not had one word to say about a pre-tribulational rapture. The score is 3 to 0, three passages for a post-tribulational rapture and three that say nothing on the subject.
. . . Pre-tribulationism is biblically bankrupt and does not know it" (The Word of Truth, 556–7).
I Thessalonians 5:3 (Paul speaking) For when THEY (THE WICKED) shall say, Peace and safety; then sudden destruction shall come upon THEM...and they shall not escape.
Matthew 24:21,22 and Mark 13:19,20 (Jesus speaking) For in those days shall be affliction, such as was not from the beginning of the creation which God created unto this time, neither shall be. And except that the Lord had shortened those days, no flesh should be saved (survive); but for THE ELECT's sake whom He hath chosen, He hath shortened the days.
How can there be THE ELECT during this time if they went in THE RAPTURE?
1 Thessalonians 4:17 is the SINGLE Scripture used to justify THE RAPTURE by false doctrine. Based on Scripture, you cannot make a doctrine on a SINGLE Scripture. The word RAPTURE does not appear in the text of any translation of the Bible, in any language.
"CAUGHT UP" are the words used by many when referring to THE RAPTURE. King James must have missed this one because the words "CAUGHT UP" are not found in the Young's Concordance for 1 Thessalonians 4:17. However, "CATCH" is listed under that Scripture. That word appears 13 times, and is translated six different ways: catch, catch away, catch (caught) up, pluck and take by force. In the 12 other Scriptures, it has nothing to do with the physical removal of living people from the earth/world to heaven.
reply to post by Sole3
I am deadly suspicious of sweet words...that don't have His Approval on them...that is Darby...and many "so- called christians"
Originally posted by FlyersFan
I can't follow the thought on this thread at all. Are you talking about a pre-trib rapture and other bible stuff? There is no pre-trib rapture. It's not in the bible and the notion was invented by failed Anglican Priest Nelson Darby in the 1800s.
reply to post by OptimusSubprime
a post-trib/pre-wrath rapture, AFTER the sun and moon are darkened.
reply to post by Sole3
yes...the "false/Evil's sun and moon" is soon to be darkened.
Originally posted by octotom
reply to post by BO XIAN
It's been traced all the way back to the early church--in addition to the Scripture.
Not a pretribulational rapture though. One has to really twist what the few chialistic Church Fathers wrote in order to get a pretrib rapture. Those that did believe that Christ would literally reign on earth held to a posttribulational rapture.
At the same time though the overwhelming majority of the early church held to an a- or postmillennial view.
reply to post by Lone12
millions of souls are being Tricked into " waiting for the arrival of I, the son" : Osiris, and his dimension -
thát is the purpose of this Ritual
Trust me :
this whole Ritual shows how desperate They are