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Why we SHOULD demand military action on Syria

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posted on Sep, 1 2013 @ 01:46 AM
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reply to post by mikegrouchy
 

that oldest trick goes both ways.

also, if this were a week or 10 days i ago, i might agree with you.
however, imho, too much time has passed to gather any reasonable evidence ... although, i concede that i wasn't aware we had 'chem sniffing robots' in the Army


yes, real evidence would be nice indeed and i sure don't trust the UN ... but, since we are already funding this calamity, i'm really not OK with the status quo, either.

maybe i'm stuck on stupid but i just can't see the benefit of going in, now.




posted on Sep, 1 2013 @ 01:50 AM
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that's what i said when i looked into 'vaping' rather smoking good ole tobacco.
that junk is included with every toke.

sure, we asked for it, kinda ... but, did we really ??



posted on Sep, 1 2013 @ 01:51 AM
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Originally posted by mikegrouchy

Originally posted by NotAnAspie
reply to post by mikegrouchy
 


Those 4 things were already accomplished without him lifting a finger toward his CW arsenal.

To risk incrimination like that is something the US thinkers might dream up... because they are used to getting away with crap and have taken to employing the dumbest tactics. Assad has experienced things in his rule that has shown him how careful one has to be to give the west no chance to turn the table around on him.... because he knows they will jump at every opportunity and plant some of their own. there are multiple examples of things that seem to be turned around on him.... and this is why I believe he is so staunch. He has been the direct target of a lot of the deception... and that must be extremely aggravating. I do not believe he would simply hand them the ball.

The only way I could see him ever thinking that would work is if he just wants the US to attack his country because he is so angry that he wants to engage his ME partners and israel in a war and has Irans backing.... but if that were true, and the US bites.... The US is still the biggest fool of them all.

The US is NOT however feeling like it is being needlessly baited into WWlll, does it?

The US does not think for one second that it should simply put it's gaurd up within it's own borders and not sacrifice more service people to satisfy any jihadist need for war...does it?

it would rather waste money of war offensive than on it's own missile defence to protect the homeland from that ever feared Iranian or North korean nuke.

If the US genuinely thought Assad used CW then they must assume such a stupid move was done to taunt and bait them into a war and so they could finally open fire from multiple locations on israel with Irans open and clearly stated backing... but are they showing any cautioun to that possible plot, thinking that assad is responsible for this? Baiting them?

Of course not.

They know he didn't do it.

and they know who did.

If they really thought it was him and thought logically about what they are getting themselves into... a third world war, then clearly they need their heads checked.

They're dumb... but not that dumb. surely someone has pointed out that this is all potential bait.

No. they know Assad didn't do this.

They are just executing their offensive and trying to keep the schedule.


Heartfelt, and a descent summary of the things being presented so far,
but you are still chasing after the information
and not demanding how operations should be conducted.

Think paradigm shift.
We want to get out in front of this.
We _demand_ military action, and we state very specifically what we want.


Mike


and if you fear no consequences in that, you might get what you want... despite being a danger to us all.

As for what I think should take place... that has been stated many posts ago and is already underway.

Those who act in haste are just trying to prevent any more of the truth from getting out.

The paradigm shift will be when the world turns it back on the warmongers demands.

The US wants to put OTHERS out in front of this...shielding them in their quest to achieve their goals.



posted on Sep, 1 2013 @ 01:51 AM
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Originally posted by Honor93
Mike,
as much as i can agree with some of your postings, i still have to ask.
why this and why now ?

if our military is for the purpose of DEFENSE, what exactly would we be defending ?


Please pardon me for going all metaphysical in my answer here,

But after 20 years as a conspiracy theorist,
being ridiculed or ignored, then seeing us get critical mass on the internet
and people start to realize that we are not being fed the straight story by the Media....

And now after 8 years as a Conspiracy realist,
watching the system adjust to us, factor us into their plans,
every fiber of my being is telling me that
THIS is the issue,
that they (whoever they are) have miscalculated
and that real good will come from a strong unwavering moral stance on those chemical attacks.

It's almost like they are begging us to laugh it off as a ploy,
as too risky,
as not the right thing to do.


We have caught them changing horses in mid stream
(whoever they are)
and if we mount this one quickly and firmly,
the future of the entire world is ours.


Mike



posted on Sep, 1 2013 @ 01:54 AM
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Originally posted by abdel
reply to post by mikegrouchy
 


Who's stopping me? The rich people with big guns are stopping me, if they weren't rich or powerful they could be stopped.
Totally agree on the chemical weapons issue. Do you want to know where they came from?
Where they came from
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Could be,
and if it is the case,
we should start indictment procedures,

but wait... we're missing one thing.

We are not in possession of any of the actual evidence are we.


We should demand Military action.
That the Army get samples,
and we should choose the institutions that test it.

In other words,
I demand a second opinion Doc!


Mike



posted on Sep, 1 2013 @ 01:57 AM
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As long as that second opinion is independent of government and impartial and carried out by experts then yes, why not.



posted on Sep, 1 2013 @ 01:58 AM
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Originally posted by Honor93
reply to post by mikegrouchy
 

that oldest trick goes both ways.

also, if this were a week or 10 days i ago, i might agree with you.
however, imho, too much time has passed to gather any reasonable evidence ... although, i concede that i wasn't aware we had 'chem sniffing robots' in the Army


yes, real evidence would be nice indeed and i sure don't trust the UN ... but, since we are already funding this calamity, i'm really not OK with the status quo, either.

maybe i'm stuck on stupid but i just can't see the benefit of going in, now.


All problems are solvable,
I really believe that.

This isn't 1950 anymore,
but we are being told things like it's too hard, and it can't be done.

Is that really true.

Don't archaeologist detect arsenic in hundred year old paintings?



By owning this I mean that we
the people should stop accepting
the imposed limitations fed to us
and start demanding exactly the
kind of action _we want_ and
accepting no dead ends from
any so-called experts.

There is always another lab,
another expert, another test.


Mike



posted on Sep, 1 2013 @ 01:59 AM
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Originally posted by mikegrouchy

Originally posted by Honor93
Mike,
as much as i can agree with some of your postings, i still have to ask.
why this and why now ?

if our military is for the purpose of DEFENSE, what exactly would we be defending ?


Please pardon me for going all metaphysical in my answer here,

But after 20 years as a conspiracy theorist,
being ridiculed or ignored, then seeing us get critical mass on the internet
and people start to realize that we are not being fed the straight story by the Media....

And now after 8 years as a Conspiracy realist,
watching the system adjust to us, factor us into their plans,
every fiber of my being is telling me that
THIS is the issue,
that they (whoever they are) have miscalculated
and that real good will come from a strong unwavering moral stance on those chemical attacks.

It's almost like they are begging us to laugh it off as a ploy,
as too risky,
as not the right thing to do.


We have caught them changing horses in mid stream
(whoever they are)
and if we mount this one quickly and firmly,
the future of the entire world is ours.


Mike


the future of the entire world is ours???

For striking Syria???

as though this is going to erase all of our problems.

Excuse me as I laugh myself to sleep....knowing that lunatics control our fate and are trying to start wwlll but all the destruction and bloodshed... even if it only happens to a few in syria if no one else takes the bait....will be worth it so long as the future of the world is ours.

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posted on Sep, 1 2013 @ 02:01 AM
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wow, in so many ways i'd have to agree.
it's not like the acts are really new or anything BUT our response could be.

here's a hang-up in my mind though ... since when are we a 'moral' society or a strong enough one to demand a moral response from ourselves ?

either way, i certainly don't know enough about our capabilities to act on your suggestion, so in deference to those who do ... besides the robots, what else is on your platter ?



posted on Sep, 1 2013 @ 02:03 AM
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Originally posted by NotAnAspie

and if you fear no consequences in that, you might get what you want... despite being a danger to us all.

As for what I think should take place... that has been stated many posts ago and is already underway.

Those who act in haste are just trying to prevent any more of the truth from getting out.

The [color=gold] paradigm shift will be when the world turns it back on the warmongers demands.

The US wants to put OTHERS out in front of this...shielding them in their quest to achieve their goals.


If one turns their back on a warhorse, one gets trampled.

But if one catches the rider switching horses midstream
and mounts the warhorse....

Well we are not warmongers are we.


Look at it this way.

When the Federal Government changed the Department Of War,
into the Department of Defense doesn't that mean that the
authority to call for war reverted to We The People.

We protested Vietnam, and it ended. I would say yes.

So quit acting like the victim here,
and ride the damn horse.

Make it go where we want,
when we want,
and do exactly what we want.


Mike



posted on Sep, 1 2013 @ 02:06 AM
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Originally posted by NotAnAspie

the future of the entire world is ours???

. [color=gold] For striking Syria???

as though this is going to erase all of our problems.

Excuse me as I laugh myself to sleep....knowing that lunatics control our fate and are trying to start wwlll but all the destruction and bloodshed... even if it only happens to a few in syria if no one else takes the bait....will be worth it so long as the future of the world is ours.

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For stalking chemical weapons use.



Well I tried,
your voice will be missed.

For myself, I will continue beating the drum that
we are not consumers of information
that we have the capacity to both set the agenda
and to see it through.


Mike
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posted on Sep, 1 2013 @ 02:11 AM
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Originally posted by Honor93
wow, in so many ways i'd have to agree.
it's not like the acts are really new or anything BUT our response could be.


I see the dawn breaking.





Originally posted by Honor93
here's a hang-up in my mind though ... since when are we a 'moral' society or a strong enough one to demand a moral response from ourselves ?


It's an internal decision.
The rest of the world is a far
crueler and darker place than
we have been lead to believe.

We are incredibly moral and
tolerant, the rarest of comb-
inations.





Originally posted by Honor93
either way, i certainly don't know enough about our capabilities to act on your suggestion, so in deference to those who do ... besides the robots, what else is on your platter ?


This is where the Conspiracy Realists come in.
Crowd sourcing the solution.


Mike



posted on Sep, 1 2013 @ 02:12 AM
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OP do you relize you have very few stars on your thread? 90% of ATS does not agree with your opinion. I see and can agree to an extent what your are saying, but why not change history. World peace may never happen, but this will bite us back, and as a human with a best friend who just returned from Afghanistan, shut the f*ck up, we are so far f*cked that we need a different route. We have to be this way because from what we have done, if we stop now, we will be destroyed. Iran and Russia are nothing to fool around with they can wipe us out as we can wipe them out, but end result is total destruction from both sides. Everyone is allies with us or them, this is WW3 and it was bound to happen, but we shouldn't be leading it, especially over a shi*ty little country.



posted on Sep, 1 2013 @ 02:15 AM
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Hey Mike,
I thought I would add this link to my earlier reply,
but I have exceeded my allowable window.

I think you might find this rather interesting.
It is from 2009 concerning Assad and Aramaic.

Link:www.theguardian.com...

Aramaic was the language spoken by Christ. Some call it Palestinian Aramaic.
The Language was as common place as English and has been spoken for 3000
years or more?

Here is another link : cal1.cn.huc.edu...

and this: www.omniglot.com...

Needless to say, one might imagine who this would irritate, even if it is truth.

Happy Labor Day to You, Wildmanimal



posted on Sep, 1 2013 @ 02:16 AM
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Originally posted by SixX18
OP do you relize you have very few stars on your thread? 90% of ATS does not agree with your opinion. I see and can agree to an extent what your are saying, but why not change history. World peace may never happen, but this will bite us back, and as a human with a best friend who just returned from Afghanistan, shut the f*ck up, we are so far f*cked that we need a different route. We have to be this way because from what we have done, if we stop now, we will be destroyed. Iran and Russia are nothing to fool around with they can wipe us out as we can wipe them out, but end result is total destruction from both sides. Everyone is allies with us or them, this is WW3 and it was bound to happen, but we shouldn't be leading it, especially over a shi*ty little country.


That's what the world wants us to think.

As to this being my opinion ...
it is not.
This is my mission, my duty, as a citizen.

The problem with Afghanistan is that we
subcontracted the moral responsibility
to our politicians and our industries.


Don't give up now.


Mike



posted on Sep, 1 2013 @ 02:20 AM
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Originally posted by SixX18
OP do you relize you have very few stars on your thread? 90% of ATS does not agree with your opinion.


Oh,
I forgot to comment on the lack of stars remark.

Doesn't bother me, but to some readers, they may
think you scored a point on me or something
juvenile like that.


I've been posting here for many a year,
and I have had several positive effects.


It usually goes like this.
Day 1: I'm the lone nut, that is too radioactive to touch.
Day 2: the attacks start to die down, and my thread begins to sink.
Day 5-8: Other members start popping up with their own ideas,
get tons of stars and flags, and the ball starts rolling.


I never get credit,
my original idea is never followed fully,
but the results, they are achieved.

And that's more than good enough for me.
So keep the stars.
I'm here for the opportunity to speak.


Mike
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posted on Sep, 1 2013 @ 02:23 AM
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Originally posted by Wildmanimal
reply to post by mikegrouchy
 


Hey Mike,
I thought I would add this link to my earlier reply,
but I have exceeded my allowable window.

I think you might find this rather interesting.
It is from 2009 concerning Assad and Aramaic.

Link:www.theguardian.com...

Aramaic was the language spoken by Christ. Some call it Palestinian Aramaic.
The Language was as common place as English and has been spoken for 3000
years or more?

Here is another link : cal1.cn.huc.edu...

and this: www.omniglot.com...

Needless to say, one might imagine who this would irritate, even if it is truth.

. [color=gold] Happy Labor Day to You, Wildmanimal




And to you!


Mike



posted on Sep, 1 2013 @ 02:34 AM
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i guess i'm not following your

This is where the Conspiracy Realists come in.
Crowd sourcing the solution.
answer.

please explain your 'crowd sourcing' and how such a thing would develop ?

so, let's say we did, got some good evidence and began the indictment process ... where does that leave the Syrian ppl who are still being attacked , maimed or killed ???

please don't mistake my commentary as arguing, i'm just trying to see how such an act benefits anyone but the US ?? (outside of 'world image' issues)

when you started this, it was about the history TO BE written and until deeper into the thread, all i could think was who cares ???
it's not like the whole story of yesteryear is in today's 'history' books.
so, what would it matter ?

but i do see your point, i just don't agree 100%.



posted on Sep, 1 2013 @ 02:59 AM
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Originally posted by Honor93
reply to post by mikegrouchy
 

i guess i'm not following your

This is where the Conspiracy Realists come in.
Crowd sourcing the solution.
answer.

please explain your 'crowd sourcing' and how such a thing would develop ?

so, let's say we did, got some good evidence and began the indictment process ... where does that leave the Syrian ppl who are still being attacked , maimed or killed ???

please don't mistake my commentary as arguing, i'm just trying to see how such an act benefits anyone but the US ?? (outside of 'world image' issues)

when you started this, it was about the history TO BE written and until deeper into the thread, all i could think was who cares ???
it's not like the whole story of yesteryear is in today's 'history' books.
so, what would it matter ?

but i do see your point, i just don't agree 100%.



That depends on what we find.

It could be very good for the Syrians if the truth came out.

Either Assad will have to go,
or some third party will be exposed,
or some rogue faction on our part.

As to the scope of history,
it is _never_ too late to start caring about people.

My take on the Syrian Civil war is that
the Muslims from Aleppo have never liked the Muslims from Damascus.
Just look at history, all the way back to 1100 a.d.

Islam has never been just any one thing.

I know the Middle East likes to put on airs that they are all unified and ready for Jihad against the west,
but it seems to me, that failure to act now will be tantamount to an admission that we are morally
bankrupt and ripe for the picking.

In other words,
the Muslims that do favor the west,
wont have a friend left in the room if we take a pass on this one.


Mike



posted on Sep, 1 2013 @ 03:23 AM
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Originally posted by mikegrouchyIf we fail to act, History will judge us as failures as well.

Me must not just act, we must demand action.


Why don't you go enlist, dude?

Don't wanna be a failure now, do ya?

Also, it is my personal belief that the rebels used chemical weapons supplied to them by the CIA.

Prove me wrong!

And quit saying 'we' and telling other people what to do.

Go volunteer your services to the rebels.

Take a flight to either one of Lebanon, Israel or Jordan and cross the border to help the 'freedom fighters'.
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