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LOL That is such a cop out, WW. If I create an all-powerful, glowing worm and tell people that this worm told me to love my neighbors, does that make the worm more valid or more believable?
Originally posted by Akragon
reply to post by greavsie1971
Theres far too many to list my friend...
No man had seen God before Jesus popped onto the scene.... Jesus was apparently a jew, yet he was a horrible jew because he changed the rules and broke them as well...
Unfortunately I don't have time to walk you through the hundreds of passages that point to the OT God being a false God.... on my way to work... but i'll check in on this thread later tonight
read this if you like
Jesus Vs the imposter
edit on 31-8-2013 by Akragon because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by Akragon
reply to post by greavsie1971
You really believe a Christian book would blatantly state our God is a false God?
They designed one God to fit the other... you have to look a bit harder...
and not be influenced by outside sources in order to see the truth of the matter...
Originally posted by 3NL1GHT3N3D1
reply to post by greavsie1971
John 10:8 is a good place to start.
Originally posted by 3NL1GHT3N3D1
reply to post by greavsie1971
Anyone who came before him was a thief and robber. Yahweh came before him.
Look at John 8:44 as well. He was talking to the Pharisees and called their father (god) the devil. As we know, the Pharisees worshiped Yahweh.
Originally posted by 3NL1GHT3N3D1
reply to post by greavsie1971
So he never said "everyone who came before me was a thief and robber"? What did he mean by that part? Nothing?
So he said it for no reason. Gotcha.
The Pharisees still worshiped Yahweh. I don't even know why you asked for the scripture, you knew you were going to reject it all along.
Originally posted by 3NL1GHT3N3D1
reply to post by greavsie1971
And Yahweh came before Jesus... I'm not sure what you don't understand about that.
Just like Christians today believe they worship god but really worship Satan. Christians pastors today are in the same boat as the Pharisees were back then.
You say 'Christian' in a way that implies you are not christian. Then you say 'our God'. Who is your God then? Are you muslim?
I still see no evidence on your part. I have studied scriptures for years, Christian and Muslim yet your ideas are totally new to me. Where do you get them from?
If the worm had 66 books written about it by various people over centuries, it would be a very special worm indeed. If we just had your word for it, I would say you were a liar.
Originally posted by 3NL1GHT3N3D1
reply to post by greavsie1971
The context doesn't change what he said, which was that everyone who came before him was a thief and robber. Yahweh came before him.
Look at John 8:44 as well. He was talking to the Pharisees and called their father (god) the devil. As we know, the Pharisees worshiped Yahweh.edit on 31-8-2013 by 3NL1GHT3N3D1 because: (no reason given)
LOL If you could create an all powerful glow worm, could it tell you anything that you didn't already know? At any rate, even if you imagined or made up a story about an all powerful glow worm that said "Love you neighbor" the words are still good words to live by. Buddha was just a man who had some cool things to say that resonated true to the people who listened to him. Whether or not Jesus was God, which I don't believe he was, what he is reported to have said, is, for the most part, good stuff to live by, in my opinion.
Originally posted by jiggerj
But when we accept a truth based on a fictional character.
Originally posted by slowisfast
Originally posted by jiggerj
But when we accept a truth based on a fictional character.
Are you asserting that the Biblical Jesus didn't actually exist, at all?
It's my understanding that most legitimate scholars are in agreement with the fact that the man was real. His deification and resulting religion, one could dispute, but I think it's an extreme stretch to try and dissolve him from history.
A number of scholars[9] and writers, known informally as "mythicists," insist there is no convincing evidence for a historical Jesus at all. If the entire story is a myth, then he could hardly have risen from the dead.
The life of Jesus is not corroborated. Not a single word about Jesus appears outside of the New Testament in the entire first century, even though many writers documented first-hand the early Roman Empire in great detail, including careful accounts of the time and place where Jesus supposedly taught. The little paragraph about Jesus that appears in Josephus' Antiquities (written after 90 CE) is regarded by liberal and conservative scholars to have been either entirely interpolated or drastically altered by a later generation of believers, probably by the dishonest Christian historian Eusebius in the 4th century[11]. (Whichever view is right, they both agree that early Christians tampered with documents, a fact that must bear on the reliability of the New Testament writings.)
The handful of 2nd-century references to "Christ" are too late to be of much value. They are brief 2nd- or 3rd-hand accounts of what some people by that time believed had happened in their distant past, and none of them mention the name "Jesus." They are hearsay, not history.
ffrf.org...
Christian historicity researcher David Fitzgerald wrote, “In the earliest Christian writings, such as the seven genuine epistles of Paul, Christ is a spiritual being revealed in Jewish Scripture, rather than a recent historical figure. Decades later the anonymous author of what we call ‘The gospel according to Mark’ wrote an allegorical story of this mythological Christ set in pre-war Judea, borrowing from many ancient religious and literary motifs. The idea of a Christ come to earth was irresistible; later Christians loved the story and couldn't help but make their own corrections and additions to ‘Mark's’ text, turning a purely literary creation into the basis of their own imagined biographies. Dozens of these gospels were written, and centuries later four of them were eventually selected to form the beginning of our familiar New Testament.”
www.godlessgeeks.com...