Fast-food walkout U.S. workers strike in several cities to call attention to low wages.

This is human nature, doesn't matter which system we use, it is human nature that's causing the problem. The haves vs. the have nots.

The Chinese have a saying, "Sheep wool comes from Sheep". The logic is very simple behind this, you want something, it has to come from somewhere.

You want a higher minimum wage without extra income or efficiency increase, that means those wages are going to come out of someone's pocket (won't be the franchise owner's pocket that's for sure). It will have a serious Butterfly Effect on the current economy as many have explained.

If you believe somehow this is ok, that raising the minimum wage is the right thing to do, that's great. You are a philanthropist. However, you can't honestly expect everyone to see eye to eye with you.

There will be folks, that considers raising the minimum wage for an unskilled, entry level job is completely absurd.

You don't blame you're surroundings for things you cannot accomplish. I don't believe that. Nope, nope, nope, nope. I don't believe if you were born to poverty, you will stay in poverty. Nope. That's because I know not of the word defeat. If I want something, I will fight/work hard to get it. Be it a trophy wife, a high paid job, a nice looking house or car.

I know a lot of you won't agree with me, which is fine but I speak from personal experience. I grew up poor, on a level not many ordinary American citizen can ever imagine (I'm a naturalized citizen, immigrant of a third world country).

I never had a high level education. In fact, when I came to U.S., I was living in some of the most messed up cities in SoCal. I dropped out from High School, highest level of education = G.E.D.

I'm not yet 30, currently making 6 figures, high credit score, house and car are taken care of.

I started working for my current employer 6 years ago. Started in the company with a monthly fixed salary of $1,800 BEFORE TAX!!!

Fast forward 6 years later, I'm 6 figures with a debt to income ratio that I could boast. How was I able to do it? Well, I never complained to my current employer that a $1,800/month starting salary was too low. I actually appreciated that fact that they even gave me a chance to work there based on my credentials. Then for the subsequent 5 or 6 years, I basically opened up their eyes to the fact that I was actually much more capable, much smarter, faster, consistent, efficient and dedicated compared to some of the MBA and PhD's they employed.

So the moral of the story is, you work hard for what you want. You don't cry hard for something you didn't get.

Just like the other poster mentioned, does American citizens feel that they are entitled to a certain treatment or compensation just because... they are "born" into this world?

P.S.

Inflation isn't a freakin' problem, when you're working so hard, you have already forgotten how much you've saved in your savings account.

Your first job is not paying you enough? Take a second one or a third on the weekend. Inflation problem solved.

People are complaining, i.e. On Strike, because:

1. They don't want to work harder or look for a second job

2. They don't want to work overtime

3. They don't want to work more than 40 hours a week

4. They don't want to work 52 weeks a year

5. But they want their wages to be increase anyhow

Does this pretty much sums it up?

reply to post by filledcup

Emotional rant.

What an employer makes is irrelevant. What is relevant is the position and the amount of money that is paid to the person who fulfills the requirements of that position. The bottom line ... the job is only worth a certain amount of money in pay. It's just that simple. Flipping burgers is NOT worth $15.00 an hour. Period.

Pay is for the job that is done. Pay is NOT for emotional reasons ...

Originally posted by Beartracker16

Fast-food walkout U.S. workers strike in several cities to call attention to low wages.

video.ca.msn.com

Fast food workers across the States are walking off the job today, fighting for a living wage.

(visit the link for the full news article)

talk about really breaking the system, if fast food workers get what they want, making 15 bucs an hour or so, just to flip burgers, pick their noses and whatever else it is they do, I will have to demand a 6 dollar raise..


You will see inflation occur real fast...

Once again, people think money grows on tree's..

Its mcdonalds man.. just like the yahoo's @ walmart expect to get paid 20 dollars an hour to stock shelves and chase girl coworkers around..

I mean really? What skills are needed to flip burgers? Or stock shelves?

Those are minimum wage jobs.. Don't like it get another job that pays more...

Idiots man...

Socialism here we come CHEWW CHEWWWWWW!!

Originally posted by UnBreakable

Originally posted by Cuervo

Originally posted by FlyersFan

Originally posted by brandiwine14
Do some of you realize that people grew up poor? They could not afford college ....

1 - Just because someone 'grew up poor' doesn't mean that they deserve a free handout for flipping burgers.

2 - They couldn't afford college? Neither could I. So I joined the military and got to go to college FOR FREE. That's right. The military gave me a job ... gave me job skills ... gave me clothes and food and a roof over my head .. and a FREE COLLEGE EDUCATION.

It's all right there for the taking.
For a young adult to say that they can't do anything better than flipping burgers .. that's just lazy.

That's fine if your moral compass allows you to kill people for money but not everybody is emotionally equipped in that fashion. Sure... maybe you felt some sense of duty but you already admitted that your primary motive was financial.

Don't you find it screwed up that American society is engineered in a way to PURPOSELY make poor people believe there are no other options for education other than violence? I'd rather see somebody stripping for tuition or even pit fighting. Victims should never be part of the American education equation.

So every position in the military requires you to kill people (for money)? So you're equating serving your country and in turn learning skills and getting a college education as violence? I bet you are for handouts at taxpayers expense and have an Obama-phone.

No, not every position in the military requires you to actively kill other people but you are still a cog in the war machine that does. We are all bitching about drones and invasions and intervention but... all of that requires men and women to pull the trigger, drive the machines, and pilot the drones. Being behind a desk or working on an engine does not absolve a person of affiliation to the institution he or she is doing that for.

And as far as the handouts and Obama-phones, I have no idea why you bring that up. McDonalds profits from a heavily-subsidized beef industry. An industry that gets far more of my tax dollars than whatever the hell "obamaphones" are. If you want to go after people getting handouts, go after the oil, beef, and war industries. They are the biggest charity cases we have.

Originally posted by truthseeker84
So the moral of the story is, you work hard for what you want. You don't cry hard for something you didn't get.

There ya' go. If they want more money, then don't sit back and demand more money for a job that isn't worth more money.

What does an average franchise owner make?

Bond says that it ranges greatly, depending on whether a multimillion dollar hotel franchise is bought or a low cost home office franchise. Giving his best guess, and probably gearing that guess to a medium sized franchise of the past few years, he elaborates: “My view is that an average franchisee will probably make, say $60,000 a year by working probably 60, 70, or 80 hours a week at the outset. And that may or may not include a decent return on their investment.” He clarifies what he means by a franchisee’s earnings: “That’s their net income as a salary.”

www.businessweek.com...

Greedy bastards!

*shakes fist!*

Originally posted by Cuervo

And as far as the handouts and Obama-phones, I have no idea why you bring that up. McDonalds profits from a heavily-subsidized beef industry. An industry that gets far more of my tax dollars than whatever the hell "obamaphones" are. If you want to go after people getting handouts, go after the oil, beef, and war industries. They are the biggest charity cases we have.

How about we stop all hand-outs! How about we take care of the truly needy who are handicapped who would love to work but cannot. How about we return jobs to America so people can find a decent job? That is NOT going to happen folks, and soon the money will run out. It already has, but they keep printing it and creating it out of thin air, and it won't continue. Then watch all hell break loose as the people have been conditioned to blame each other and NOT the elites who have set the whole system up!

They are banking on it.

reply to post by beezzer

$60,000 a year while working a grueling 60-80 hour week managing the francise? And yet the burger flippers want to be handed $32,000 a year for just flipping burgers 40 hours a week. Yeah right. @ burger flippers on strike

Originally posted by FlyersFan
reply to post by filledcup

 

Emotional rant.

What an employer makes is irrelevant. What is relevant is the position and the amount of money that is paid to the person who fulfills the requirements of that position. The bottom line ... the job is only worth a certain amount of money in pay. It's just that simple. Flipping burgers is NOT worth $15.00 an hour. Period.

Pay is for the job that is done. Pay is NOT for emotional reasons ...

like ive said before..

if ur a christian it would be wise to note that even tho there is no compassion in business, there is supposed to be compassion in the humans running the business..

unless of course it is a business of atheists who care not for compassion.. would explain alot.

it doesnt matter the worth of a job. a company who's workers produce 15mill in profit does not have to pay them minimum wage. he can pay them a little more because they are so productive. but ppl work hard, they work overtime, they work 2 and 3 jobs and STILL CANT SAVE A DIME! then the owner has the audacity to tell them tighten their belt and live within their means but dont come asking for a raise?

you're all inhuman primitive goats.

reply to post by filledcup


I don't look down on anyone. I've worked as a Janitor myself. The only people I look down on are those that refuse to try improving their situation. I never called the people at McDonald's anything. Keep on arguing with personal attacks on me. If that makes you feel superior, have at it.

You said my charity made people more dependent without knowing what type of charity I engage in. That made it a garbage critique. It also come from a place of vitrol and anger. So, it was garbage because their was no point except to demean me for not believing the same as you. That makes it just like this second critique you have posted.

This second response actually doesn't reflect anything I have said in this thread. You are taking statements to mean something they don't or confusing me with other posters. Either way you are getting angry and worked up because your ego is too wrapped up in the situation. For you this isn't just a matter of economic debate it is a challenge of your world view.

Keep coming at me though. I'm sure you will soon feel much better that you showed up that nasty and evil conservative.

if you pay ppl well they wont have a problem working hard. theyll work all the overtime in the world.. theyll sleep on site. once that good money is running in ppl will be motivated to work. what some of you want to do is motivate them by beating them with whips on their backs.

Originally posted by filledcup
if ur a christian

A persons religion is irrelevant. This is a secular society (thank God!).
And trying to guilt anyone with religion rather than discussing facts is silly.

you're all inhuman primitive goats.

Oh look .. the new guy is tossing insults to those who disagree with him.

reply to post by FlyersFan


The amount didn't surprise me.

I know franchise owners.

Originally posted by filledcup

What an employer makes is irrelevant. What is relevant is the position and the amount of money that is paid to the person who fulfills the requirements of that position. The bottom line ... the job is only worth a certain amount of money in pay. It's just that simple. Flipping burgers is NOT worth $15.00 an hour. Period.

Pay is for the job that is done. Pay is NOT for emotional reasons ...

Very true and it's all about the "Love of money". We are conditioned to covet others stuff constantly. BUY BUY BUY.... and get pissed when we can't or it's taken away cause we bought above our means. This is a screwed up system, and sadly most people are not walking in a loving way towards one another, but looking out for #1.

like ive said before..

if ur a christian it would be wise to note that even tho there is no compassion in business, there is supposed to be compassion in the humans running the business..

unless of course it is a business of atheists who care not for compassion.. would explain alot.

it doesnt matter the worth of a job. a company who's workers produce 15mill in profit does not have to pay them minimum wage. he can pay them a little more because they are so productive. but ppl work hard, they work overtime, they work 2 and 3 jobs and STILL CANT SAVE A DIME! then the owner has the audacity to tell them tighten their belt and live within their means but dont come asking for a raise?

you're all inhuman primitive goats.

Originally posted by UnifiedSerenity

Originally posted by Cuervo

And as far as the handouts and Obama-phones, I have no idea why you bring that up. McDonalds profits from a heavily-subsidized beef industry. An industry that gets far more of my tax dollars than whatever the hell "obamaphones" are. If you want to go after people getting handouts, go after the oil, beef, and war industries. They are the biggest charity cases we have.

How about we stop all hand-outs! How about we take care of the truly needy who are handicapped who would love to work but cannot. How about we return jobs to America so people can find a decent job? That is NOT going to happen folks, and soon the money will run out. It already has, but they keep printing it and creating it out of thin air, and it won't continue. Then watch all hell break loose as the people have been conditioned to blame each other and NOT the elites who have set the whole system up!

They are banking on it.

I agree! If we didn't spend money bailing out rich folks and subsidizing the end of the world, we wouldn't need to be seeing crap like this in the news!

If we stopped all "hand outs", including the ones to the powerful and wealthy, I would be willing to see the halt of all other "hand outs", as well. I think that would be the only way trickle-down would finally work. Some might say it would be even worse for the poor but I'd be willing to roll the dice on that one and so would most of the people who live in poverty. It's probably rough digging through the street for cans when you see rich folks living just fine off of our taxes.

reply to post by MikeNice81


spin it however you want..

bottom line is.. you dont want these ppl getting $15 an hr simply because it is too close to your pay rate and u worked hard to get where u are.

u speak of looking down on ppl who dont want to improve their lives?? dont you think a pay raise can improve ppl's lives? what exactly are these ppl looking for.. not to improve their lives? so what if theyre happy to work a burger joint all their lives? now who's judging who?

vitrol and anger.. none at all..

Passion!

reply to post by camaro68ss


Yeah that's weird.
.30 cents is 0.0030 dollars.
is.. 1/3 cent.
It's nothing.

If you have worked at McD's for 5 years and are making 7.75...you are doing it wrong. This is a perfect example of a society who wants it all for nothing. A fast food job is a stepping stone not a career unless you want to be in management or want to work in that industry.

Get a job flipping burgers at 7 an hour. Then go to a local hotel and get a prep job making 9 bucks. Then become a cook or a waiter/waitress or another position and make more. Show your worth and in 3-4 years you can be making even more money.

15.00 to work a McDonalds? CNA's make 9.00 an hour and they take care of people. I know LPN's who start at 18 and they give meds and take blood.

If they do not watch out, they will all be replaced by more automation.

Also, those companies that are making money, they are doing it because they are running it like a business. That is why the US is broke. They act like the rich spoiled kid who inherited daddys restaurant and put it up his nose...

Originally posted by filledcup
if you pay ppl well they wont have a problem working hard.

They shouldn't have a problem with working .... period. They are getting paid what the job is worth. If they don't like it, then they can leave. It's just that simple

theyll work all the overtime in the world.. theyll sleep on site. once that good money is running in ppl will be motivated to work.

You don't know that people will 'work all the overtime in the world and sleep on the couch'. If people are being handed buckets of money for a job that isn't worth that much, those people are certainly NOT going to be motivated to work harder. Why would they, when the system is handing them tons of money that their position doesn't deserve.

what some of you want to do is motivate them by beating them with whips on their backs.

Spoken like a true communist.
Their motivation should be SELF MOTIVATION to not get fired and to raise themselves up.
It's not the job of employers to motivate burger flippers by giving them money they don't deserve.
Handing people money they didn't earn will make them LAZY .. not teach them to work.
It's the job of the employers to keep the business going and make a profit.
It's not the job of employers to kill profits to make burger flippers comfortable in their
entry level jobs.

Originally posted by FlyersFan

Originally posted by filledcup
if ur a christian

A persons religion is irrelevant. This is a secular society (thank God!).
And trying to guilt anyone with religion rather than discussing facts is silly.

you're all inhuman primitive goats.

Oh look .. the new guy is tossing insults to those who disagree with him.

I am a little surprised at your response. The system has been gamed to the point there are thousands wanting any job. It's an employers market to say the least. You do not see that creating this surf class was exactly the elites goal and now that they have it, they can abuse it to their hearts content?

You cannot start businesses today as you once could with all the laws and regulations put in place to keep the little guy out of the competition. Let me give you one example:

You have to pay for a license to be a homehealth agency to work as a caretaker / personal assistant and get insurance long term care to pay you. To get that you can't just pay the fees and show you have passed the required classes. No, even though you have a customer wanting to use your service and help, you have to have a commercial storefront to work out of which costs thousands of dollars to have or hundreds a month to pay a service to have a pretend office. So, you end up making minimum wage when all is said and done.

Without this overhead you could make a decent living of say 40k to 50k a year, but instead you can't. Instead, some big home health agency is going to pay some moderately skills person 10/hr to do very limited work. The customer could get a lot more for their money, but it's not allowed. Then the customer has to pay someone else extra to do other things.

This is all screwed up and meant to benefit the big boys.