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Fast-food walkout U.S. workers strike in several cities to call attention to low wages.

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posted on Aug, 29 2013 @ 06:47 PM
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Originally posted by lastbleedingvictim
I will start by saying that I'm a 17 year old who works at a fast food restaurant. I don't try to live off of minimum wage, and I only know a handful of people I work with who are adults trying to live working at this restaurant who are not in school or managers/assistant managers. In fact, even the aforementioned handful has gotten a number of pay raises because they do their job efficiently.

Raising the minimum wage would only be beneficial to the lazy workers who have not earned their pay raise, or the new workers with their STARTING salary of $7.25. Although, as previous posters have mentioned, this would likely not even be beneficial to them, due to everyone "not wanting to make less than a fry cook" and eventually making $9/hr just as unlivable as $7.25/hr.

All of this being said, I'm still in favor of the minimum wage raise. Why, you ask? Because I'm a 17 year old who doesn't NEED the money, and i'm fairly certain that the price of the herb which i spend a good portion of my paycheck on will not increase.


im just saying.. some companies dont give you a pay raise for working hard. you will work there for your entire life and at the same salary if u dont stop one day and open your mouth to say something about the injustice.




posted on Aug, 29 2013 @ 06:53 PM
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I didn't have any gold in 1972 and I don't now.
Better things to spend my money on.



posted on Aug, 29 2013 @ 06:54 PM
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most of the ppl on the streets asking for this raise in minimum wage dont understand economies well enough to know that that is not really what they want. they want a better salary, and the companies do not have to wait for government to order them to do so through minimum wage legislation if they can afford it. and they can.. easily.

pocket change compared to what's generated on a month to month basis around the year.



posted on Aug, 29 2013 @ 07:10 PM
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Originally posted by camaro68ss
I’m arguing at a wall right now. you Increase minimum wage, it will increase the cost of goods sold, making that new wage mute due to inflation.


The new wages won't be mute. You're right that the cost of living will rise, but it won't rise anywhere near as much as their wages will, so in the end they will still be better off.

You see this in other countries where McDonald's pays workers a living wage. In Australia the casual rate (most common pay rate) is 23$ per hour. While McDonald's easily pays its workers 3 times as much as American workers receive, the cost of living is not 3 times as much, it is only partially more so they still end up better off.


Originally posted by Beartracker16
The story reports that raising wages to poverty levels would cost .30 cents on a $10 meal.


So hypothetically let's say they work AND eat at McDonald's. Their wages have increased by 200% but the cost of buying a meal for their family has only gone up 3%.

It's false to say the new wages will be "mute", they will only partially be cancelled out by inflation and cost of living.



posted on Aug, 29 2013 @ 07:14 PM
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Originally posted by bigfatfurrytexan

Originally posted by filledcup
if you pay ppl well they wont have a problem working hard. theyll work all the overtime in the world.. theyll sleep on site. once that good money is running in ppl will be motivated to work. what some of you want to do is motivate them by beating them with whips on their backs.


This is patently untrue. Money is the worst way to motivate employees, and anyone who has ever managed a large team knows this.

People are motivated by being engaged. Sure you have to pay a decent wage to meet their needs....but even folks who are somewhat underpaid will still overachieve if they are engaged in the business.

Minimum wage employees typically (although there are always exceptions) tend to be minimum wage employees for a reason. That is not a group of folks who tend to be well skilled, make good decisions, or have enormous amounts of intellectual insight.

You don't motivate anyone with whips. You motivate them (if they can be motivated) by inspiring them.


oh? so then why is it that a company provides u a service based on the fee u pay? and there are brackets of payment for service.

u take package one u get the bronze package and that cost $5000.

take the silver package and u get BETTER SERVICE but it costs $10000.

take the Gold package and u get even better service with onsite visits but its going to cost $15000.

for $25000 u can get our all inclusive package with 24/7 on-call support.

isnt more money motivating the company to provide a better service? what makes u think it's any different for ppl?

u say one thing and then u do the next. u say it isnt a motivator and then u use it to motivate your business. arent you seeing this point of view?

show me how u are going to motivate a company to give u the platinum all inclusive service for $5000

it simply will not happen.
edit on 29-8-2013 by filledcup because: (no reason given)



posted on Aug, 29 2013 @ 07:16 PM
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Originally posted by oblvion
I keep hearing the same nonsense from so many of you, " just go out and get a better job" because there are so many of them around right?

Or the even more idiotic statement " get an education, so you will be able to get a good job", ya because it is free right? I mean we all have rich mommies and daddies to pay our way through school, and living expenses while we go, and then we wont be straddled with a crushing debt load that will only take the next 20 years to pay down at our new $20 an hour job....if your lucky enough to even get one that pays that much.

Or my all time favorite "these are entry level jobs", "these are unskilled positions", "these people dont have any skills" etc.....

You guys do understand right, that almost anyone can do almost any job in this entire world right? Anyone can be taught construction in short order, anyone can be taught data entry and or analysis in the same time frame, anyone can be taught to install cable and or IT lines in short order, anyone can be taught to do just about anything in a very short time span.

Most people, way over half of the populous, dont have the time or money to spend 4 years in school, at the cost of tens of thousands a year, for somthing they could be taught in less than 6 months.

Education is designed to keep you there for as long as possible, at the highest price possible, for a minimum of actually useful knowledge and experience, it is a business, designed to pilfer as much profit as possible, by forcing unneeded skills to be studied, and thus paid for.

The simple but ugly truth is, most people who are wealthy are not smarter or better than the those at the bottom of the pile, they just got lucky, either in the genetic lottery, or having the right parents, or knowing the right people.

There are not enough good jobs to go around, even if everyone in the country had the same opportunities, got the same education, had the exact same skill sets, and were all equally capable of doing any job, there would still be poor people, as human greed is the main problem.

Those with way too much already, should spread some of their resources around, but they dont and wont, because they will never have enough, they are simply greedy.

Sitting in an office, playing on the computer and chitchatting around the water cooler all day is not worth more to society than laborers, as laborers actually provide a needed service, that allows those in the office to have a job they exploit, and barely manage half a days actual work in an entire week.

Switch the positions around, make all those at the very bottom the ones at the top now, and watch the exact same scenario play out, the former rich now made poor, will not have enough, those former poor that were made rich, will never have enough to satisfy they own personal greed.

All sectors of the economy are equally important, wall street is not 1 million times more important than a dock worker, though they do claim a million times more of the economic windfall.

Everyone that works should share in the profits the economy gains, but they dont, only certain sectors ever see any real profit from the works of the whole.

I say workers pay should be tied directly to a companies profits by law.

Walmart pays minimum wage but makes hundreds of billions a year, their worlkers are the ones making all that money, not the guys in the offices, the guys in the offices shouldnt be the only ones seeing prosperity for the works of the store workers.

Mcdonalds makes hundreds of millions a year, off the backs of their store employees, their employees should get a decent cut of that.



Your exaggerating beyond believe.

Let me tell you what's going to happen when you switch the positions for all these people.

The rich, will eventually become rich again.

The poor, will eventually fall on their ass, again and again.

You give $800 to someone asking for hand outs all their lives, they'll take this $800 and go to the nearest strip club. Buy the newest iPhone. Pay off their car loans or rent that's behind.

You give $800 to a person who's currently banking, he'll find opportunities for this $800 to work itself into $8000 or $800,000.

That is the difference.



posted on Aug, 29 2013 @ 07:22 PM
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Wait, so flipping burgers isn't a good paying job?!

Mind = Blown



posted on Aug, 29 2013 @ 07:23 PM
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Your view on the unskilled laborer is disturbing.

they make it happen.. if all the unskilled labor stayed home one day this place would fall apart PRONTO. it wouldn't take a few weeks or months it would be auto matic.


Reminds me of a Douglas Adams book. Oh you know the one "The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy". Funny book that tells a lot of truth. If you've read the book, you know I'm referring to the Golgafrinchams. If you haven't, look it up. The short version is:

"The useless third of the population (consisting of hairdressers, tired TV producers*, insurance salesmen, personnel officers, security guards, management consultants, telephone sanitisers and the like) were packed into the B-Ark, one of three purported giant Ark spaceships, and told that everyone else would follow shortly in the other two. The other two thirds of the population, of course, did not follow and "led full, rich and happy lives until they were all suddenly wiped out by a virulent disease contracted from a dirty telephone"."



posted on Aug, 29 2013 @ 07:32 PM
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what does that mean photo genius

why do we have to work so many more hours to get the same amount of stuff

you don't mind throwing an extra 198 hours away

the inflation calculator is not accurate it does not take enough into account to be accurate

Adventures of Buckaroo Banzai isn't that great of a movie either
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posted on Aug, 29 2013 @ 07:34 PM
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Wow...

You mean to tell me that the minimum wage in the US is below the poverty line and not even a livable wage ?

Interesting.

I guess that explains the multi-millions of dollars taxpayers are having to spit out in order to pay for all of those food stamps and other government dole programs that their brethren Americans are in need of in order to stay afloat.

Which of course also explains a good portion of the trillions of dollars that keeps climbing higher and higher by the minute on that nice shiny billboard in New York City.



... so while Joe the taxpayer (employees, franchise managers, et al) coughs up to replace what corporations aren't doing (paying out an actual living wage), the top-of-the-pyramid CEO's are transferring their ever-increasing profits into overseas investment banking tax havens.

Makes you wonder why anyone would even bother working a grunt minimum wage job when they can have a better standard of living on the welfare dime instead... eating McDonald's and watching Honey Boo-Boo all day.

And around and around it goes, where it stops, nobody knows.



Anyone still wondering why the US economy has gone into the crapper ?




In case some of you didn't catch it:
You've just been given a basic rundown of TRUE economics 101.



posted on Aug, 29 2013 @ 07:39 PM
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And if I had a country that was run like a business ought not to be, and if I gave in to dogma that people should be paid for what they think they are worth, instead of the work they actually performed.


What do you think you are worth? or are you willing to subject yourself to what someone else thinks you are worth?

Simple question.



posted on Aug, 29 2013 @ 07:40 PM
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Makes you wonder why anyone would even bother working a grunt minimum wage job when they can have a better standard of living on the welfare dime instead... eating McDonald's and watching Honey Boo-Boo all day.


Sadly, many people who do work are on assistance....the same people working at McDonalds or Walmart. If one is so dead against welfare, maybe they should quit buying products from companies who pay their employees a pittance.



posted on Aug, 29 2013 @ 07:41 PM
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Incorrect taxes will continue to increase, the price for things will continue to go up and everything will continue to go up no matter what they get paid or what anybody gets paid. It is what it is designed to do, in fact most do well jobs are often do nothing jobs, its all just a big scam all around. And in 60 plus years on the subject, what have the prices for goods and services gone down? Or better yet has it gone down in any of the years America has been around, or for that matter any time any society using currency has been around?
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The answer is off course no, in some places you have to take a boatload of paper to buy something which cost a few pieces of papers years ago, most sensible societies and countries just start printing higher digit money. Now imagine 1000 dollar bills around or 10,000 dollar bills around here in the future.
Like I said it will always go up no matter and even if anybody pay for any job goes up which is a big reason why there all trying to switch to credit as its easier to keep track of it and carry that much around.

The worse thing they have done is actually listen to these econ specialists or there wage bosses, the whole thing is parasitical from top to bottom. Which is why you have the ceo of fast food joints making billions practically when there whole job is to sit in offices for a few hours coming up with new way to pass the buck on up to themselves and there constituency. There job is basically how to scam people, and they have many people under them doing that work a whole system is set up that way, and billions of dollars at there disposal enough to buy schools and everything in between required to teach humans the things they require to make them richer. Its all a pyramid scheme which has been going on for ages people have literally been breed into it and to think certain ways, a favorite pass time for humanity.

But ya prices will continue to go up, taxes will continue to be implements, wars will continue to happen, no matter what they get paid.



posted on Aug, 29 2013 @ 07:41 PM
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Originally posted by CranialSponge
Wow...

You mean to tell me that the minimum wage in the US is below the poverty line and not even a livable wage ?

Interesting.

I guess that explains the multi-millions of dollars taxpayers are having to spit out in order to pay for all of those food stamps and other government dole programs that their brethren Americans are in need of in order to stay afloat.

Which of course also explains a good portion of the trillions of dollars that keeps climbing higher and higher by the minute on that nice shiny billboard in New York City.



... so while Joe the taxpayer (employees, franchise managers, et al) coughs up to replace what corporations aren't doing (paying out an actual living wage), the top-of-the-pyramid CEO's are transferring their ever-increasing profits into overseas investment banking tax havens.

Makes you wonder why anyone would even bother working a grunt minimum wage job when they can have a better standard of living on the welfare dime instead... eating McDonald's and watching Honey Boo-Boo all day.

And around and around it goes, where it stops, nobody knows.



Anyone still wondering why the US economy has gone into the crapper ?




In case some of you didn't catch it:
You've just been given a basic rundown of TRUE economics 101.


let them pretend they dont see it. either way they take it.. because of their "BRILLIANT *COUGH* idealogies and methods of application this system is going to fold in on itself and start eating its own tail. it already started.

the system is going down. get ready for change. lol



posted on Aug, 29 2013 @ 07:42 PM
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Originally posted by HandyDandy

Originally posted by catt3
From what I have seen the workers are either in school or dropped out of school or someone looking to make a little extra cash, I have met very few people who are trying to live on what they make.


I guess you don't have many illegals near you?


That's a whole other problem, Nobody should have illegals living near them?



posted on Aug, 29 2013 @ 07:42 PM
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why do we have to work so many more hours to get the same amount of stuff

We don't. Unless you want to buy gold. Yeah, inflation comes into the picture but minimum wage has increased too. I actually was working for minimum wage in '72. Honestly, at that point I wasn't worth much more. It didn't bother me and it kept my meager bills paid.

Could McDonald's afford to pay more? Sure. But the trouble is that most small businesses can't. Raise the minimum wage and you end up putting people out of work.

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posted on Aug, 29 2013 @ 07:43 PM
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Doesn't matter what anyone thinks they are worth. They get paid for what they do. They get paid for what they EARN.

If that means getting paid $ 8 bucks an hour to flip burgers. Then that is what it means. They don't like it ?

They can go somewhere else. In this economy ?

Some people need to be thankful they have a job period.



posted on Aug, 29 2013 @ 07:45 PM
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Good day to start that diet....guess what ...the majority of people without jobs would gladly take their places...I have worked in this industry...it is a low wage for a reason...it doesn't require much in the way of education to flip a burger or salt fries....if you are a manager you are over worked and underpaid too, but the alternative is far worse...standing in the unemployment line or going to try and find another job in the same business that pays the same....better off just doing what you are doing until you have a degree to do something better....degrees are very expensive to achieve though and still no guarantee of better paying jobs, particularly in this economic environment.



posted on Aug, 29 2013 @ 07:45 PM
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Ya like I said the whole thing is parasitical. None of them even know how this whole ting works or is actually standing, but ya economics 101, like you said nice leson. Like george carlin once said bull# is the glue which holds our society together. Without bull# it would all come crumbling down.



posted on Aug, 29 2013 @ 07:48 PM
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Originally posted by neo96
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Doesn't matter what anyone thinks they are worth. They get paid for what they do. They get paid for what they EARN.

If that means getting paid $ 8 bucks an hour to flip burgers. Then that is what it means. They don't like it ?

They can go somewhere else. In this economy ?

Some people need to be thankful they have a job period.


a tree doesnt ask for money when u pick an apple from its branches. and that's how things always were before.

so what ur saying is that ppl should be thankful that you commandeered the tree, put a price tag on it, and gave them a job to work so they can afford to buy the products of the tree. which was always free?

how about i steal your car and return it to you.. will u thank me for that?



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