Rolf Harris charged with indecent assault on girls

Is it just me or round about the time this advert done the rounds there were rumours that something wasn't quite right about Rolf Harris.

It's maybe just the context of the advert and perhaps it was just playground gossip, but I do remember the suggestion that he liked them young.

Originally posted by woogleuk
reply to post by Flavian

 

Yeah man, I refused to believe it about Savile too, it's kind of soul destroying.

But unless Rolf admits to it, even if he gets the guilty verdict I will still refuse to believe it.

As a poster above said, smoke and mirrors, a lot of these celebs are just becoming scapegoats for something more sinister I think.

I don't know about Rolf, but Savile used to call round to my great grandparents house years ago when my gran was a kid. I was told they used to ignore the knocks at the door because he'd always outstay his welcome and really hard to get rid of. My gran told me he did some bad things to her and always said the truth would come out about him in the end.

As with all these cases, my concern is how little evidence there is needed to convict. In many cases there is none other than circumstantial and in many of those the evidence is still at a stretch. I have no doubt that many of these were pervs back then, but life back then was far different. No excuse perhaps, but as with any history of decades ago its easy to convict in hindsight. My issue is that they are convicting in hindsight, but where will it stop? If you go back to the 70's, how many of guys touched up a girl and thought nothing of it as it was the norm? How many guys slept with women without thinking if she was underage or not? It never come in to it. Yet, today we can look back taking the moral high ground and convict based on today's moral code and law of the land. Sure no guy would act in that wa y today and rightly so, but you can't base that on a conviction for a person's behaviour 40 years ago! As I said, where is the line drawn?

The government as always will hijack an issue to assist in furthering whatever agenda they are heading towards. So be careful screaming for these celebs blood, it could set a precedent where by conviction becomes a case of who has the better story in court, rather than evidence. When that happens, well, we will be no different than the old USSR or Nazi Germany.

It might keep me busy in work, but its not a healthy society to live in should that be the case.

A conviction should be based on evidence and hard evidence, not he said she said BS.

Originally posted by woogleuk
reply to post by feelingconnected

 

I think regardless of whether guilty or innocent, Rolf will be found guilty.

The BBC need to be seen to be taking a pro-active approach to the Savile scandal, and if it has to turn its back on a few aging celebrities to save its own arse, so be it.

edit on 29/8/13 by woogleuk because: Reusing off topic post for something more constructive to the conversation.

I don't think the BBC have a decision in this, and apart from the odd one off he was actually under contract with a commercial channel wasn't he?

Like other posters, I'm gutted if this is true - historical accusations are always a little dodgy in my opinion purely and simply because there is little chance of evidence, but in this case it appears he is also alleged to have made indecent images of children (photo's not drawings) in the last year. If that is the case it's fairly hard to deny.

What a shame.

It feels like part of my childhood was raped.

Who's next Noel Edmunds? Jonny Ball? Yoffy from Fingerbobs? (at least he looked a bit dodgy)

Sorry with regards to Rolf, just seen that they found child porn on his computer, yep that's bang to rights a bit different to what's been going on where they've been pulling in celebs for women complaining about something that apparently happened 40 odd years ago. Still a shame though, I like Rolf Harris!

Originally posted by BritofTexas
What a shame.

It feels like part of my childhood was raped.

Who's next Noel Edmunds? Jonny Ball? Yoffy from Fingerbobs? (at least he looked a bit dodgy)

Tony Blackburn, Mr Blobby, Timmy Mallet, the cast of Rainbow...Anyone seen that Rainbow they did for Jeremy Clarkson's birthday? lol Youtube it guys!

Originally posted by Knobby
Is it just me or round about the time this advert done the rounds there were rumours that something wasn't quite right about Rolf Harris.

It's maybe just the context of the advert and perhaps it was just playground gossip, but I do remember the suggestion that he liked them young.

That'll be playground rumours at their best..

I mean come on, an advert about teaching kids to swim is very likely going to have kids swimming it wouldn't you think? Or would Rolf look better sitting at a table at a fancy restaurant surrounded by adults give a better message?

Innocent until proven guilty.

Originally posted by SecretFace
...My issue is that they are convicting in hindsight, but where will it stop? If you go back to the 70's, how many of guys touched up a girl and thought nothing of it as it was the norm? How many guys slept with women without thinking if she was underage or not? It never come in to it. Yet, today we can look back taking the moral high ground and convict based on today's moral code and law of the land...

...The government as always will hijack an issue to assist in furthering whatever agenda they are heading towards. So be careful screaming for these celebs blood, it could set a precedent where by conviction becomes a case of who has the better story in court, rather than evidence...

Some really good points here, and something i've considered myself when i've listened to old music tracks and the guys are singing about girls that are only 16. Though I suppose in the eighties it would still make him fifty, so a fifty and a fifteen year old? I've not been around long enough to know how common that is. But I also remember learning about artists from older times during college and sleeping with a girl of 13 was a beautiful thing to them and not socially frowned upon, not saying it's the same but it shows how times change our perceptions.

Something else that irks me about this rolf harris case, though it might just be me clutching at straws, is the fact that he's been charged for making indecent images of children in the past year, am i the only one that finds this odd?

Wasn't it around a year ago they started this operation yewtree? Surely celebs would be creeping around on tenter hooks if they were paedophilicly inclined and not deciding it's a good time to start dabbling in producing your own child pornography. This doesn't sound right to me, but again, what do I know.

Reminds me of a man a year or two ago who did something TPTB weren't too impressed with and suddenly he was being charged for having indecent images of children, for the life of me I can't remember who it was. Anyway, the thing that got me about this case was that it was reported this guy had some 10 or so images on his computer. Now I don't know much about the image collecting habits of paedophiles but usually they're reported to have hundreds going up to thousands of images.

So maybe, there's a chance that these images made in the last year are still subject to suspicion, and the loveable character that was rolf harris is a convenient patsy for the public view of operation yewtree, nicely keeping the real creeps under the carpets.

They waited until Savile was dead so he did not bring down some very big fish, there had been huge pressure for years to bring him to justice but it never happened, sadly people as bad as Savile will get of scot free.

Originally posted by betadaze

Originally posted by woogleuk
reply to post by Flavian

 

Yeah man, I refused to believe it about Savile too, it's kind of soul destroying.

But unless Rolf admits to it, even if he gets the guilty verdict I will still refuse to believe it.

As a poster above said, smoke and mirrors, a lot of these celebs are just becoming scapegoats for something more sinister I think.

I don't know about Rolf, but Savile used to call round to my great grandparents house years ago when my gran was a kid. I was told they used to ignore the knocks at the door because he'd always outstay his welcome and really hard to get rid of. My gran told me he did some bad things to her and always said the truth would come out about him in the end.

I forgot to mention, my gran was possibly one of Saviles youngest ever victims, she was only between 6 and 8 when he started putting his hands down her pants. Savile was roughly the same age as my great grandparents. My gran was born in 1948 and this happened in the 50's. As for evidence, there was none. She didn't speak out about it til she was in her teens.

Oh B.S. Rolfe? Rolfe Harris? I call BS on this one.

B.S. Poor Rolfe - I think it's women trying to rort money out of the poor old guy and How Convenient they "found" Child Porn on his pc! More like Planted it on there to show the jury! the real crooks are in office!

Saville DID look like a Rock Spider though I took one look at saville and went Eww.. there is something NOT RIGHT about him! and I 'm a guy!

Originally posted by fr33kSh0w2012
Oh B.S. Rolfe? Rolfe Harris? I call BS on this one.

B.S. Poor Rolfe - I think it's women trying to rort money out of the poor old guy and How Convenient they "found" Child Porn on his pc! More like Planted it on there to show the jury! the real crooks are in office!

Saville DID look like a Rock Spider though I took one look at saville and went Eww.. there is something NOT RIGHT about him! and I 'm a guy!

edit on 29/8/13 by fr33kSh0w2012 because: (no reason given)

I feel the same.

No mention of child porn on his computer, I think the term was "indecent images"... now they could be photos of his nephews and nieces on the beach, in a pool etc etc.

Weve already seen cases of people being charged for taking photos of their own kids, so I'll hold my judgement on this until it is clear.

Innocent until proven guilty

Guilty?... string him up!

Originally posted by Mister_Bit
No mention of child porn on his computer, I think the term was "indecent images"... now they could be photos of his nephews and nieces on the beach, in a pool etc etc.

That's what I was thinking too. Rotten Misandric double standard two faced judicial System. Life Sucks unless you were born Female in this day and age then you get it all handed to you on a golden platter.

Originally posted by woogleuk
reply to post by Flavian

 

Yeah man, I refused to believe it about Savile too, it's kind of soul destroying.

But unless Rolf admits to it, even if he gets the guilty verdict I will still refuse to believe it.

As a poster above said, smoke and mirrors, a lot of these celebs are just becoming scapegoats for something more sinister I think.

You bang on with just how deep the rabbit hole goes...

Look at recently with Miley Cyrus so why do you refuse to see there is a problem with ALL of the entertainment industry WORLD wide! People still idolize the pedophile Micheal Jackson and the refusal to believe it is part of how it keeps perpetuating.

The real soul destroying is being done to children (not your safe memories of a pop icon, although I know what you mean and honestly I think it is part of problem as well)...

I just wish they would really show what is behind the curtain so we can end it Once and for All!

If he's a monster, he deserves everything he gets! However this info is provided by the MSM, Innocent until proved guilty i say..

It really pi55es me of that the MSM has this much control over us on a daily basis. Do 'you' really believe it all???

Just saying...

reply to post by woogleuk


I would think a large number of people who work with children are molesters since that is the jobs they would religiously seek.

I noticed when I looked up the registered sex offenders in our town, the ones who are pediphiles almost all have a beard and mustache or sometimes just one or the other. I think the facial hair is interesting to the kids but also I guess it can hid your face and you can look very different as soon as you shave.

reply to post by betadaze

I forgot to mention, my gran was possibly one of Saviles youngest ever victims, she was only between 6 and 8 when he started putting his hands down her pants. Savile was roughly the same age as my great grandparents. My gran was born in 1948 and this happened in the 50's. As for evidence, there was none. She didn't speak out about it til she was in her teens.

Got to say that Savile , as others have commented, was always a creepy character. Gary Glitter's sordid history was known a long time ago.

Stuart Hall was a real shock to me as I always considered him a jolly, if eccentric, sort of chap. Rolf Harris is even more of a shock if anything is proven. There are still cases hanging over Bill Roache , Dave Lee Travis and the much younger Micheal Le Vell and probably more to come. All innocent until proven guilty but there is so much smoke that you do wonder.

In fact it was only a few years ago that I saw a guy, who lived next door when I was a kid, on the front of the local paper had finally been arrested in Thailand for being a known paedophile. Of course when I told my sisters about it they then came out with stories of how he'd leer over the garden wall whilst they played and make inappropriate comments that they just laughed at the time as they were too young and innocent.

When I think back to the 70s and even the early 80s they were such different times to today. There were always the stories about "funny men" to beware of, at school there was often a "dodgy" teacher or two. It seemed like everybody "talked" about these people but nothing was ever proven and nothing ever came of the stories. Moral judgement was different and the rich and famous probably did think they were untouchable. In fact some of them obviously did!

I do remember David Icke saying something about how rife paedophilia was with these people and naming names many years ago. Everyone ignored him because he was dubbed a nutter. But Icke worked at the BBC back in the day and probably did know something.

It makes you wonder how deep this really goes?

Originally posted by Char-Lee
I noticed when I looked up the registered sex offenders in our town, the ones who are pediphiles almost all have a beard and mustache or sometimes just one or the other.

How do you know that? Does the register show their faces?
I'm asking because I find it difficult to believe that there's a PUBLIC register showing photo's of kiddy fidlers! Why? because in the UK an innocent doctor died because he had a sign on his door that had the word *Pediatrician* on it, and the brainwashed public being as stupid as they are thought that meant he was a kf, and they killed the poor guy!
What stops the same happening where you are if these faces are being made public?

Originally posted by woogleuk

Rolf Harris charged with indecent assault on girls

www.bbc.co.uk

TV presenter Rolf Harris has been charged with nine counts of indecent assault and four of making indecent images of children, say prosecutors.

Mr Harris was first arrested in March by officers investigating historical allegations of child sexual abuse.

Six offences relate to the indecent assault of a girl aged 15-16 between 1980 and 1981 and three relate to a girl aged 14 in 1984.

The indecent images of children were alleged to have been made last year.

(visit the link for the full news article)

really makes you feel betrayed and cheated, I really liked rolf harris, his art, his shows, this world is getting so we dont trust anyone anymore... we are going to end up anti social the lot of us... damn him, he did it, so lock him up..and throw the key away