The Transfiguration of Miley Cyrus

Originally posted by LeatherNLace

Originally posted by MrConspiracy
reply to post by LeatherNLace

 

I think shes 20? And she's acting ridiculous. Do some people of her age act the same way? Yes. Do they influence thousands of pre-teens? No.

She has responsibility whether she asked for it or not. If she wants to act that way.. don't do it on live television against a man who is married with children.

Remember, we are talking about the MTV Awards. The bastion of purity that has previously brought us numerous family friendly acts such as the Britney Spear/Madonna tongue kiss, the Lady Gaga meat suit, etc...The entire point of the performance was to be outrageous, edgy and controversial.

Insofar as her being an influence on pre-teens, yeah, so? Parents should know what the MTV awards entail and if they let their kids watch such things, then that is a parenting fail; not an "artist" failure.

I understand this is the norm for the VMAs but you know as well as anyone that it doesn't just happen on the VMAs then never seen again. It's all over the web. So is it really a parenting fail if it's unavoidable?

It's an artist failure. Perhaps a success for her career, but a failure for her dignity.

Originally posted by Stormdancer777

Originally posted by MrConspiracy
reply to post by LeatherNLace

 

I think shes 20? And she's acting ridiculous. Do some people of her age act the same way? Yes. Do they influence thousands of pre-teens? No.

She has responsibility whether she asked for it or not. If she wants to act that way.. don't do it on live television against a man who is married with children.

Maybe Thicke should have thought about that during rehearsal, after-all he is older.

Lookie here, Big Freedia says she needs lessons
www.breitbart.com...

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Hey, i'm not here to say "don't do that"... If he wants to do that, fine. They're both just as ridiculous as each other then. I just don't see how it's entertainment.

reply to post by MrConspiracy


I thought she looked ridiculous,someone sould have told her she couldn't dance.

Also I don't understand the need to do a striptease if you have talent,

Ok I think this thread is idiotic since there are more important issues out there but I got bored and decided to read.

What I am getting is that she is controlled by some mythological entity called the Illuminati... Also I am reading that that if a girl dresses a certain way she deserves to be called slut, ho..etc.

So it is OK now to to do this to women? It is exactly the same way rapist think..well she was dressed a this way, so she was asking for it.

Originally posted by Stormdancer777
Maybe Thicke should have thought about that during rehearsal, after-all he is older.

Lookie here, Big Freedia says she needs lessons
www.breitbart.com...

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Wow Big Freedia is....

AWESOME.

It's like Reel 2 Real reincarnated. Miley needs to take those lessons for sure.

But I wonder if people would still complain if she did it well.

reply to post by BBobb

an insidious ploy designed and executed with the sole purpose of the destruction of innocence within our youth.

It could just be company execs going with the times, or the aspirations of an artist who wants to follow what they think is artistic direction and break the former stifling mould of purity and innocence that was placed upon them.

For sometime now I have had difficulty seeing the machinations of this plan clearly, though the auspices of its design ruminated around the recesses of my mind.

Writing for the sake of writing never dispels that lack of depth present in said sentence. Bravo.

With the recent declaration of demagogic debauchery displayed by Miley Cyrus at this year’s MTV Video Music Awards,

What declaration is this? A bad metaphor for a displayed choreographed performance you just clearly don’t agree with.

For the purpose of this article, I will focus primarily on our young female idols and their effect upon the teen and pre-teen girls of the country, though the male equivalent is certainly just as prolific and culturally malignant in both scope and intention.

This seems lacking then. Why mention the male counterpart as being just as important and prolific if you are not going to mention it and also include it. Is this because it doesn’t make for a clean enough biased argument, or is it because you are basing this on now grounds other than your focus on females, but thought this would jazz it up to appear as a well thought out ‘article’.

Cyrus introduced to our daughters and permitted into our homes under the guise of cultural innocence that has been the banner of Disney, cemented in the national consciousness established by Walt and his loveable band of characters such as Mickey, Minnie, Pluto and Goofy

No, parents allowed for this to be seen and experience. Nothing more or else to this. No company can intrude in a household through a television unless it is allowed. Utterly ridiculous statement to make based on nothing other than miss diagnosed responsibility.

America has lost the thread of cultural degeneracy that has occurred in our most stalwart institutions like Disney. American exists in a false state of nostalgia of times long since passed and replaced by ruthless competitive forces devoid of moral consideration where the heir of Walt, Michael Eisner, has slaughtered and cooked the likes of Donald Duck and made Dumbos of us all.

Speak for yourself and save please do feel free to hold back baseless assumptions.

Hannah Montana, like all fads, simply would not engender the endurance necessary for another decade of sustainment. Twerking Miley Cyrus, however, brings a fresh modality of appeal to an ever increasing society of decadence and thereby increased cultural life to a fruit otherwise squeezed dry.

You answered your own statement in the few lines previous. As she grows older, so does her fan base. As you keep ignoring, a lot of her fans or target audience will also be boys, so the new rejuvenated image and her new appearance will make sure she shreds any image of youth and young age, in order to appeal to a mass market of adults. Like you say earlier, for money, to appeal to a market. This isn’t a complex dynamic, again like you said, the same happened to Britney and Christina etc. This would be some very basic business acumen

As a man of faith, however, I do not see simple profit motive in such behaviors, but rather a willful and purposeful design of malfeasance perpetrated upon the youth of the world under the seemingly watchful and approving eyes of a distracted and beguiled parentage.

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Ahh ok, I see where this is going. Although you contradict yourself fairly badly, you previously spoke of markets and monetary benefit but now you are putting this all on a mission to disrupt and influence youth.

With the proliferation of constant media and its seeming obsession with pop-culture

This has always been the case. There is nothing new here, if you are not able to discern between pop culture and news then, well, you only have yourself to blame for any perceived problem you become a part of.

When not inundated with the idiocy and asinine behaviors of these idols portrayed on such shows as Cribs and TMZ, our children find their fix upon the countless pages of the internet dedicated to these same things.

So two shows, on a television network with many different channels and an internet with millions of educational and non-pop culture centres sites. The more you go on, the more it seems to be the apparent lack of parenting that you seem to be concerned with. No responsibility on a parent’s behalf but blaming media companies that are following a trend that generates them a profit.

Until, inevitably, their innocence no longer has value, and is shed both literally and metaphorically by the clothing they fling to the ground and reveal the demonic intent behind their false front of piety.

This barely makes sense and you overuse of words you don’t seem to understand or use because you are trying seem intelligent shines between the cracks of a post that lacks any real substance or depth. The use of language is not going to compensate for the lack of credibility to the people that can read between the lines of a belligerent and bitter rant.

The tactic is linear and always leads to the same place, like an arrow shot toward the ground. Those who will not embrace this next stage of their careers will simply parish from the limelight they once enjoyed, and their legion of adoring fans will merely fade as the next great distraction overtakes their minds and wills and walks them obligingly to the sullied and barren grounds prepared for them.

Welcome to the dog eat dog world of showbiz. Nothing new here. NEXT.

It's great seeing people rag on MC for doing what she was paid to do. It's called capitalism.

My background is in producing for the entertainment industry....here's how it works.

A group of people sit around a table, producers, directors, unit production managers, DPs, lawyers and try and figure out what will garner to largest market share. They have researched the audience demographic and the advertisers target that population segment. The script is written, the art dept. along with the choreographers and music people and crew plan out the blocking, dances, camera moves, etc all the details of making a TV show.

Miley is a puppet for the money people, the producers and advertisers. It's a business venture!!! She is paid to do what she is told to do. Unless she is a producer or director; she has no input into how the final show will be presented.

Never once in any production meeting I've participated in has anyone ever said "how can we corrupt the morals of the youth and American public in general" the focus is alway the profit motive, not cultural engineering.

The American public get's what they want because that's what sells the ads.

If you don't like what's on TV, movies, the webs...make your own programming...start here like I did.

www.celtx.com...

"No one ever went broke underestimating the taste of the American public" HL Mencken

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My priorities are in order. And they include condemning violence. Arguing semantics is all well and good, but when I say "animal" I mean exactly that. We have lowered the human race to the level of animals. In our "sophisticated" society, we have made wholesale slaughter for oil OK. We have made every base act "because it feels good" or "is how we are" OK. "You wanna be a girl instead of a boy? Cool! We can make it happen!" Sex and violence sells. Things traditionally viewed as wholesome and good now are viewed as antiquated, hateful, bigoted and just wrong. A mother wants to be a stay at home mom and raise her own kids? What a loser! She should throw off the chains of outdated poop and get a career! Parents want to raise their children with a strong foundation on Jesus and home-school them? They're just trying to brainwash their kids to be bigots! Evil!
Think about it this way: You can spray paint a turd gold and tell yourself that it's a bar of gold all day long, but at then end of that day, it is still nothing but a turd.

I thought this made sense:

medium.com...

Guerrilla marketing. Beats Pills.

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Nice to know you have experience, very interesting

The American public get's what they want because that's what sells the ads.

This really isn't what most people want, we don't have a choice.

I know so many young people that are listening to underground music, there are a lot of fantastic groups out there that no one ever hears about because the industry forces this crud down our throats.

Then they take good talent and destroy them, and then their fans wonder, what the heck happened to that group.

Stormdancer777
reply to post by olaru12

 

Nice to know you have experience, very interesting

The American public get's what they want because that's what sells the ads.

This really isn't what most people want, we don't have a choice.

I know so many young people that are listening to underground music, there are a lot of fantastic groups out there that no one ever hears about because the industry forces this crud down our throats.

Then they take good talent and destroy them, and then their fans wonder, what the heck happened to that group.

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this isn't exactly true.
sure there are young people who listen to underground music or less popular music, but most kids listen to popular music, because it's popular. that is the key word here, popular.

don't fool yourself, we do have a choice, but there are tons of people that don't agree with our choice, and they outnumber us. if the music industry found no money in selling sexy artists they wouldn't.
so really the logical answer is that people want what the music industry is selling, else it wouldn't exist. they aren't shoving this stuff down people's throats as much as they are making as much as they can as fast as they can, because people are consuming it all.

basically blaming the artist or the music industry for this is really looking to blame someone else, when the reality is that we are to blame.

i blame everyone for crunkcore, one of the worst sub-genres to ever exist!

reply to post by demongoat


I do put a lot of blame on the entertainment industry, look at the movies they are putting out.

ForbiddenDesire

Originally posted by Stormdancer777
Maybe Thicke should have thought about that during rehearsal, after-all he is older.

Lookie here, Big Freedia says she needs lessons
www.breitbart.com...

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Wow Big Freedia is....

AWESOME.

It's like Reel 2 Real reincarnated. Miley needs to take those lessons for sure.

But I wonder if people would still complain if she did it well.

lol i thought that was a picture of david allen greer at first, big freedia looks exactly like david's character from the reoccurring sketch "men on film" from in living color.

Biigs
I never saw Hannah Montana, i learned of her via random crappy newpapers at the barbers thinking "who is this young tramp and why should i care".

I dont like her songs now she does that as herself, i pretty much ignore/change channel/open up a new tab when i see her.

Not even all that familiar with her face, unfortunately learning how to avoid her means you must pay some attention - and that sucks. Weather you like her or not, you cant avoid her

Yes, you can avoid her...even when shopping..

May I introduce to you the product Hanna Montana..



These corperations want a child to feel unhappy without Hanna Montana products. Although Miley is older now still Hanna Montana has become a role model for these children.

When these children see their "Hanna" behaving like a loose canon their view on what is decent will be influenced. It will be very worrysome if this is done on purpose by some evil mastermind..

Stormdancer777
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I do put a lot of blame on the entertainment industry, look at the movies they are putting out.

i think you missed my point.
the entertainment industry isn't the problem here, they are just selling what they think people want.
the problem is us: the customers. if we really do hate what they produce we wouldn't buy it, and they would stop selling it, since that is the only reason they do sell it.

the only way the cycle will break is when the consumer breaks it by telling the industry "no more!" by not buying the crap they complain about. that is the only way to cause real change in the system, its a huge challenge though.
trying to get a sizable group to do this it is like herding cats, nigh impossible unless there is something better.

Stormdancer777
I thought she looked ridiculous,someone sould have told her she couldn't dance.

Also I don't understand the need to do a striptease if you have talent

I love burlesque as do most male homo sapiens. We feel good watching it because it's related to sexual reproduction which is an important natural drive. Trying to stifle our natural drive will cause us to lash out neurotically. Look at what happened to Miley. She's obviously out of control, as her burlesque routine was full of shallow contrivances.

If we try to hide what we really are, we'll go insane. We, as a species, need to learn how to live with our nature.

Miley's antics were nothing new or sensational....overseas in the Army, we had traveling entertainers that woukld play a particular Kaserne for a day or two on a USO tour schedule

back in the late 1960s there was such a USO band playing at the EM club (enlisted mens bar/watering hole)
which included a female lead singer of that rock band...
She put on a Miley Cyrus act during on set segment with the ass wiggling & hands on crotch with the hip thrust routine,,,

we all knew that act as being a Hootchie-Cootchie Girl act...

i guess now-a-days that CMA telecast was drop dead outrageous... i say YAWN about all the hubbub

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Ya! um there parents may want to block a few things on the net in there household. Hate to say this but with children and humans in general its monkey see monkey do. If anybody thinks watching hardcore porn on the internet would not have a effect on a 11 and 10 yr old there completely mistaken.

As for this whole milley cyrus thing. Well they say there is not such thing as bad publicity.

Stormdancer777
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I do put a lot of blame on the entertainment industry, look at the movies they are putting out.

The movies, music, print and TV is junk because the majority of viewers/ consumers are dumbass mouth breathers.
That's not the fault of the industry. There is plenty of quality programming but it's not marketed as aggressively because the money is in the product that appeals to the lowest common denominator and that's sex, violence and banal, crude adolescent humor.

I certainly like to work on quality projects but in reality marketing and distribution call the shots on what ultimately gets made. Projects start from the profit potential end not the aesthetic end.

Free enterprise at its finest....or worst...depending on your perspective.

What did you think of "The Lone Ranger" I worked on that. I thought it sucked other than the great production values.

I prefer to work on socially relevant indy projects but the real money for us SAG/AFTRA and IATSE people is when the Sony's, Disneys and Marvels come to town.