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The story and research of what turned me into a misogynist. (A look into misogynist's minds)

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posted on Aug, 29 2013 @ 08:25 AM
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--Women in Love--

Men believe that love matters for the sake of it. Women love opportunistically.

--Iron Rule of Tomassi #6
Women are utterly incapable of loving a man in the way that a man expects to be loved.

In its simplicity this speaks volumes about about the condition of Men. It accurately expresses a pervasive nihilism that Men must either confront and accept, or be driven insane in denial for the rest of their lives when they fail to come to terms with the disillusionment.


--Women are incapable of loving men in a way that a man idealizes is possible, in a way he thinks she should be capable of.In the same respect that women cannot appreciate the sacrifices men are expected to make in order to facilitate their imperatives, women can’t actualize how a man would have himself loved by her. It is not the natural state of women, and the moment he attempts to explain his ideal love, that’s the point at which his idealization becomes her obligation. Our girlfriends, our wives, daughters and even our mothers are all incapable of this idealized love. As nice as it would be to relax, trust and be vulnerable, upfront, rational and open, the great abyss is still the lack of an ability for women to love Men as Men would like them to.

For the plugged-in beta, this aspect of ‘awakening’ is very difficult to confront. Even in the face of constant, often traumatic, controversions to what a man hopes will be his reward for living up to qualifying for a woman’s love and intimacy, he’ll still hold onto that Disneyesque ideal.

It’s very important to understand that this love archetype is an artifact from our earliest feminized conditioning. It’s much healthier to accept that it isn’t possible and live within that framework. If she’s there, she’s there, if not, oh well. She’s not incapable of love in the way she defines it, she’s incapable of love as you would have it. She doesn’t lack the capacity for connection and emotional investment, she lacks the capacity for the connection you think would ideally suit you.

The resulting love that defines a long-term couple’s relationship is the result of coming to an understanding of this impossibility and re-imagining what it should be for Men. Men have been, and should be, the more dominant gender, not because of some imagined divine right or physical prowess, but because on some rudimentary psychological level we ought to realized that a woman’s love is contingent upon our capacity to maintain that love in spite of a woman’s hypergamy. By order of degrees, hypergamy will define who a woman loves and who she will not, depending upon her own opportunities and capacity to attract it.




posted on Aug, 29 2013 @ 08:36 AM
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You have got to be 16 or 17, and a virgin. There's no way you're a grown man. I'm going to regret this, probably, but what the hell.

I have been with more women in my life than should be legal for one man to have. They have ranged from models to strippers to executives to the girl next door, and everything between. From stunningly beautiful to "homely".

So that means I'm tall, good looking, rich, studly, and an alpha male, right? WRONG!

I'm 5'8" with shoes on. In fact, a few of my ladies have been taller than me. I'm not particularly good looking. Especially not now in my 50's. I'm not rich. I do not have the attributes of a porn star.
And though I have had many leadership roles in life, I am not an alpha male by any means. Oh, and I don't do sports.

Ever seen the not so hot guy, walking into a nightclub with the foxy lady, and you couldn't figure out what she sees in him? That's me.

So how did I do it?
RESPECT. First and foremost. Whether it's a fling, or long term.
HONESTY. I didn't act like someone I wasn't.
I'm not afraid of girls. If I saw "insert celebrity name here" walking down the street, and I wanted to talk to her, I'd approach her. Providing her security team didn't throw me on the ground.
Did I say respect? You know, treating women like living, breathing, thinking, feeling, human beings. With hopes, fears, wants, needs, desires. Just like you and me.

Seriously bro. Women are not the bane of society. Put down the books. Stop listening to woman haters, and go talk to real women. Spend time talking to them, with no other intention than getting to know them as a person.

Oh, and give yourself self a chance to grow up. You're young. You have to be. Because if you're older, I really do feel sorry for you.



posted on Aug, 29 2013 @ 08:47 AM
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Originally posted by Klassified
reply to post by Barthandelus
 



You have got to be 16 or 17, and a virgin. There's no way you're a grown man. I'm going to regret this, probably, but what the hell.

I have been with more women in my life than should be legal for one man to have. They have ranged from models to strippers to executives to the girl next door, and everything between. From stunningly beautiful to "homely".

So that means I'm tall, good looking, rich, studly, and an alpha male, right? WRONG!

I'm 5'8" with shoes on. In fact, a few of my ladies have been taller than me. I'm not particularly good looking. Especially not now in my 50's. I'm not rich. I do not have the attributes of a porn star.
And though I have had many leadership roles in life, I am not an alpha male by any means. Oh, and I don't do sports.

Ever seen the not so hot guy, walking into a nightclub with the foxy lady, and you couldn't figure out what she sees in him? That's me.

So how did I do it?
RESPECT. First and foremost. Whether it's a fling, or long term.
HONESTY. I didn't act like someone I wasn't.
I'm not afraid of girls. If I saw "insert celebrity name here" walking down the street, and I wanted to talk to her, I'd approach her. Providing her security team didn't throw me on the ground.
Did I say respect? You know, treating women like living, breathing, thinking, feeling, human beings. With hopes, fears, wants, needs, desires. Just like you and me.

Seriously bro. Women are not the bane of society. Put down the books. Stop listening to woman haters, and go talk to real women. Spend time talking to them, with no other intention than getting to know them as a person.

Oh, and give yourself self a chance to grow up. You're young. You have to be. Because if you're older, I really do feel sorry for you.


-You have some minor status you aren't aware of thus women become attracted to you.
-Being a respectful and honest beta doesn't make women horny.
-All those hot women you think are 8s and 9s could have been 3s and 4s with low self esteem. Remember most women mask their flaws with makeup.
-Lastly, I'm older than you think.

I've grown up to see that women are attracted to dominance, power, high status and many other strengths. Women define love as how many Alpha utility traits a guy has. Women CAN NOT LOVE MEN FOR WHO THEY ARE! (This is basic biology dating back to women being hypergamous)



posted on Aug, 29 2013 @ 09:06 AM
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-You have some minor status you aren't aware of thus women become attracted to you.

Yeah, my status is, I'm not afraid to talk to women, and I look them in the eyes, instead of gawking at their boobs. (I do that when they aren't looking
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-Being a respectful and honest beta doesn't make women horny.

You're right. You have to show them you have a personality. And you're reasonably comfortable with who you are. The moment you stop worrying about making them "horny", is when they'll get "horny".



-All those hot women you think are 8s and 9s could have been 3s and 4s with low self esteem.

Yeah, that's why my friends have always drooled over some of my girlfriends. Models and strippers aren't 3's and 4's. But for me, it's never been all about the looks anyway. There has to be some beauty inside too. That may sound cliche, but it's true.



Remember most women mask their flaws with makeup.

Men never mask their flaws, do they?



-Lastly, I'm older than you think.

Then I feel sorry for you bro. There are good and bad in every gender.



Women CAN NOT LOVE MEN FOR WHO THEY ARE! (This is basic biology dating back to women being hypergamous)

I don't care what the books, or a scientist says. You have a choice. Be lonely for the rest of your life, or venture out into the deep water, and put aside your preconceived notions about how women are evil and rotten to the core. It's up to you.
edit on 8/29/2013 by Klassified because: Corrections! OK!



posted on Aug, 29 2013 @ 09:08 AM
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I've grown up to see that women are attracted to dominance, power, high status and many other strengths. Women define love as how many Alpha utility traits a guy has. Women CAN NOT LOVE MEN FOR WHO THEY ARE! (This is basic biology dating back to women being hypergamous)


How wrong you are!
Maybe some shallow women are like that, but not all. I could also argue that some shallow men only want bombshells and trophy wives.

I would consider my husband and myself both good looking, but not supermodel material. When I met him, he was a salesman with no car, no home, and kinda skinny for my taste. I fell in love with his character, his humor, his caring, loving personality, and could go on .....

Now after 6 years I still think he's good looking, and still feel the same way for him-love

I don't care that he has been without work for 3 months, and that I have become the sole bread winner, because I know how hard it is to find a good job, or just any job nowadays.

He is starting to get a bald spot right in the middle of his head, and call me crazy, -or maybe because I love my pumpkin- but I even find it sexy.

I don't need my man to have money, power, etc- I'm not one of those shallow women, alas they do exist, but that's not all of us.

I keep getting the feeling , you are bitter over a breakup, or had a very bad experience with a girlfriend who might have been shallow, and now you think all women are like that.

Well, let me tell you that is not true!

Anyways, cheer up, and have a nice day,



posted on Aug, 29 2013 @ 11:06 AM
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Well Bart, you avoided every question that I asked. I want to know how you are going to fulfill your sexual desires? Are you going to experiment with the opposite sex for this? What about your drive to reproduce? And what is it like being on the same planet with billions of women that you abhor? Are you lonely?

If you can't answer any real world questions, then you aren't really allowing anyone here into your world. You are simply defending your hatred with disputed garbage that you have read on the internets. I want to know how you function in society being a hater of women!
edit on 29-8-2013 by Hollie because: (no reason given)



posted on Aug, 29 2013 @ 11:45 AM
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It's seems like your goal is to make 'hot, beautiful women' 'horny.'

So you just want a hot chick who will let you have sex with her.

The amusing thing is, you don't see the hypocrisy. Good day, sir.



posted on Aug, 29 2013 @ 12:06 PM
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Originally posted by AshleyD
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It's seems like your goal is to make 'hot, beautiful women' 'horny.'

So you just want a hot chick who will let you have sex with her.

The amusing thing is, you don't see the hypocrisy. Good day, sir.


I get the feeling this was a troll thread from the start, Ashley. He just wanted to see everyone's reaction to the idea of a misogynist.



posted on Aug, 29 2013 @ 12:59 PM
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Originally posted by Klassified

Originally posted by AshleyD
reply to post by Barthandelus
 


It's seems like your goal is to make 'hot, beautiful women' 'horny.'

So you just want a hot chick who will let you have sex with her.

The amusing thing is, you don't see the hypocrisy. Good day, sir.


I get the feeling this was a troll thread from the start, Ashley. He just wanted to see everyone's reaction to the idea of a misogynist.


You are probably right. How can any male hate the female gender and vice versa. It seems so unnatural. Unless they are homosexual, but even then, there doesn't appear to be a hatred. Maybe a turn-off, but not hate. Strange.
edit on 29-8-2013 by Hollie because: (no reason given)



posted on Aug, 29 2013 @ 01:10 PM
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What I'd like to know is who are the 15 people who gave a flag to this thread?

-rhetorical question, I don't want to break any rules lol-

And have they actually read the whole thread and what the OP means.....



posted on Aug, 29 2013 @ 01:22 PM
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There seems to be a growing number of men who have decided to forego commitment and marriage in this country. You'll find their videos all over youtube. I'm sure some of those guys are right here at ATS.



Do not get married! Warning to single guys ! Before you get married, ask 10 married guys if this video is not the real thing...



edit on 8/29/2013 by Klassified because: (no reason given)



posted on Aug, 29 2013 @ 01:23 PM
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Reread everything you just said. You care about your family members, but you don't care about males as a whole. A man can see a group of women and simply think just how awesome they are. Women can see a group of men and won't think much of them.

Btw Love is conditional. Love between a mom and male son is the only thing close to unconditional love a guy will experience with women.


Your love is conditional, but I use the word "love" ever so loosely here because, as I stated before, I do not believe you know what love is.

Great groups of men and great groups of women (sometimes even one group of men and women, believe it or not), have shaped human history as we know it. I have spent much time pondering the awe-inspiring nature of their legacies, each individually and as a group. I don't even attribute the least of mankind's achievements to gender.

I care about HUMANITY as a whole like I care about dogs as a whole. I have never checked the gender of a dog on the side of the highway before letting a canine into my back seat and proceeding to find its home.

Yes, I love my family and my family loves me. This is the only similarity between you and me. You disregarded what I said about the man (non-family member) I love and the way I love him because I don't fit the foundational elements of your misogynistic belief system. I expected that. You relate to others according to their gender. I relate to others according to their character.

Have a super fantastic day.



posted on Aug, 29 2013 @ 01:23 PM
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Didn't really flag or star.

But why does it matter? there are many "feminist" group masquerading around in web with hate speech under the guise of "fighting misogyny" while laying back on their chaise and sipping martini(i bet the original women's movement must be rolling in their graves)but they are okay?

Even tho OP including too much information(and somewhat generalizing) but i see some points he made which i see it often, especially double standards.

People try to make this a taboo and make everyone who talks about it will get ostracized, like how the OP is being treated.

I support OP for his views. and that he can say what he wants to say before it becomes an unspeakable subject..a double standard one.



posted on Aug, 29 2013 @ 01:24 PM
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Well I am guilty of one flag LOL. I thought it interesting. I have never communicated with a hater of women before. Bart is either a troll, or he is genuine. If he is genuine, then he has great big giant balls. Well not really because anyone can hide behind a monitor and spout off their hate. But to hate a whole gender means you have a whole world of people to hate.



posted on Aug, 29 2013 @ 01:26 PM
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Marriage is disadvantage for a male in this era, why would anyone give their money, life and their testicles away?

90% of the time, you will lose out on marriage, unless you are wealthy enough to pull some strings.



posted on Aug, 29 2013 @ 01:30 PM
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Originally posted by Hollie
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Well I am guilty of one flag LOL. I thought it interesting. I have never communicated with a hater of women before. Bart is either a troll, or he is genuine. If he is genuine, then he has great big giant balls. Well not really because anyone can hide behind a monitor and spout off their hate. But to hate a whole gender means you have a whole world of people to hate.


If you read his signature text, he sounds more like a man with distinct signs of sociopathy. Probably some aspergers syndrome is involved as he seems completely at loss with understanding the more emotional nature of women. If you read his "theories" they are highly imaginative of what he thinks a woman is and how she express herself when around men.

He holds his mother in very high esteem despite his loathing of the other sex which means he has very difficult mental issues with his own sexuality.

This is a guy that probably has failed many times in his contacts with the other sex. Wouldnt surprise me if his hate one day makes him lock up a woman in his cellar, posting questions on ATS on how to relate to her ...

This is my analysis of this poor fellow of a human being.

Just saying.
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posted on Aug, 29 2013 @ 01:32 PM
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Now the OP is mentally sick because he is talking against PC, and what this modern materialistic society thinks is right.


Soon it will be a taboo to speak of such matters!

But men bashing will continue! with the support of feminized men of course.



posted on Aug, 29 2013 @ 01:51 PM
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Please point out any "men bashing" here that I might have missed. All I see is people pointing out flaws of certain individuals thinking.

Do I think the OP is mentally ill? Well, that isn't for me to decide. I do think there is a problem with anyone who thinks because some people are a certain way, every one who belongs to their group must be that way.

If the OP had said that some women fit his profile, then he would be correct, but to say that all women are that way is where he the problem lies.

I could say that all men are jerks who are only care about sex and are only interested in girls who look like models and willing to be subservient kitchen slaves.
Does this apply to some men? Sure, but all? Absolutely not.

Men are individuals, just like women are. It is a shame the OP can't see that.
edit on 29-8-2013 by calstorm because: (no reason given)



posted on Aug, 29 2013 @ 02:00 PM
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*yawn*....sorry, just woke up....with a wooden spoon stuck between my toes....

OP....You may be right! Also....you may be left.

jacygirl



posted on Aug, 29 2013 @ 02:07 PM
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Originally posted by luciddream
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Marriage is disadvantage for a male in this era, why would anyone give their money, life and their testicles away?

90% of the time, you will lose out on marriage, unless you are wealthy enough to pull some strings.


There is an element of truth there. But it would be the fault of the system, more than women in general.

If marriage is a disadvantage for men, it could also be seen as a disadvantage for women, given certain circumstances in either case.




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