The story and research of what turned me into a misogynist. (A look into misogynist's minds)

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posted on Aug, 28 2013 @ 08:32 AM
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--Define Misogynist: a person who hates women.

--Mods: I first must state that I do NOT condone any violence and/or sexual violence towards any woman.-- I'm posting this so people can have a look into the mind of modern misogynists. Lasty, I've had a good mother and sister that supported me in life, but that doesn't change the fact that they have the same primal instincts as all women do. I respect my female family members but I'm not blind to their female nature.

My dislike for females comes from a lifetime of studying female primal nature. The first thing I was researching is women's unconscious choice her instinct for the Alpha males of society. Women in general don't seem to even love men. What I've notice when women say they love men, they really love his status or his power not him as a human being.

This is why men dislike women being the leader, the breadwinner, because when the male status is lower than the female she'll lose sexual interest in her mate. This is also why women dislike 90% of the short men on earth. Short men to women look very weak and all women hate weakness in men. When I started to realize that women demand perfect confidence, perfect assertiveness, perfect emotional strengths in men it really hit me that women DON'T view us as human. Women's instincts are basically saying I as a male can't lack confidence or have emotional flaws like a NORMAL human being. Think about it.....every girl will tell you that a lack of confidence is a turn off. Truth is humans CAN'T be confidence 24/7 like some damn robot, but women expect it of men.

Lack of empathy from women made me question if they are sociopaths by nature. A men can spend his life building muscle to appear hot, work of his personality and spend years gaining social status YET women don't care about all the work you spent trying to becoming the alpha. Women don't care about male prostate cancer or the fact that marriage and divorces screw men over. Women don't care that young boys (males in general) are committing suicide more and more. The media endlessly talks about women being victims and females only care about that. Then again all of these things are weaknesses so it's only natural that women don't care.

Let's move onto the beta and omega males of society. If you are a unlucky guy that happens to be ugly, shirt, broke then chances are you are an omega male. Women hate hate hate HATE the omage male. That nerdy scrawny short harmless guy that gets bullied for liking anime women and doing other unattractive geeky thingsis hated more than rapists and killers. Women will take an abuse badboy over the omega male any day of the week. The omega male is pure weakness and women HATE any form of weakness in men.

If you happen to be a beta male, the marriage material guy you are just an soulless machine to women. You exist to protect her, die for her, make her feel good, don't be weak, be tall, be her support, be a work horse, fix the broke things around the house, mow the lawn (She won't) and you can never complain about male issues. THAT IS YOU BETA LIFE. If you get a divorce there is a 70% chance she'll take everything and force you to pay child support for a child that most likely isn't yours.

-You see we men open doors for women because we love you. (Females view chivalry as sexism)
-We supported feminism because we loved you. (You think men better support it or else)
-We die for you because we love you. (You females think men are expendable)
-We work long hours to support the family because we men love you. (You females selfishly want men to work less)

Yet, even with all of that women don't love men back. [b} I've never in my life seen a topic made by females about how much they love men. I've never seen women be happy that men have invited so many wonderful machines. women don't even care that men invited mostly everything because it needed to be invented.

Just how the hell can I love women knowing that they don't even love us. They love the status and power surrounding the male but never the male himself. You see a female can be short, tall, fat, skinny, a model, broke, masculine, feminine and still be loved. You will never see women lusting after beta males or omega males.

-Women's porn is even limited to tall, fit, and rich guys. (Females literally can't be turned on by beta or omega characters) Women only love alphas and enslave beta males to marriage.
-Men's porn is unlimited. There are thousands of fantasies and tastes men like. human women, dragons, alien, hentai, short, fat, bbw, skinny. Men are insanely open to loving all kinds of women.

After all of this, I just can't love women anymore.

Edit: When I say love I'm talking about a chemical release science. Not some magical or divine thing.
edit on 28-8-2013 by Barthandelus because: Corrections




posted on Aug, 28 2013 @ 08:46 AM
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After all of this, I just can't love women anymore.



wow...I've never met any of you...women haters.

All I can tell you is...you've taken a whole lot of stereotypes about women and forming an opinion about them through those stereotypes.

I used to think similar to you...back when I was a teenager. Trust me...3/4 of those stereotypes you mentioned in the OP, dissolve in the real life and real situations.

From your post, and you knew it was coming, I can conclude that you have been rejected by women...perhaps for your looks or your geeky nature...and are now angry at the whole gender for it.

I've been there...until I grew up.

Anyway...don't be a misogynist because they reject you. All those that reject you...are not for you anyway. Seek those that want geeky and ugly...whatever you might think...trust me...there are such women...and when the time is right...you will stumble on them.



posted on Aug, 28 2013 @ 08:52 AM
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Although I agree to an extent to many things you point out, luckily, not every women is 100% like what you described.

I can safely say that most men will do a lot more to save a relationship and that their loving is way more unconditional than most women. Women tend to walk away faster and are more likely to change their opinion about the man they supposedly love even for a temporary "lack of confidence" from men. Ex : Losing his job.

I have never ever seen or heard a story about a man leaving his wife because she lost her job.
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posted on Aug, 28 2013 @ 08:55 AM
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This could be a really crazy thread.
If I were to say that all women are crazy to some degree, I might be right.
Are they all out to use men? The answer is complicated.
Women use men to procreate.
One can also look at it as men are out to use women to procreate.

Either way, we are all just a product of evolution... the best way to make more little people is what we end up with.



posted on Aug, 28 2013 @ 08:59 AM
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I'm just gonna keep this short... You have literally made my heart sink ... I feel very sorry that you feel this way towards all woman. Ya know there are good gals out in this world. And I hate that you don't think love to be a magical or divine thing. Have you ever experienced a love? Imo...love is not just a science explanation.

I wish you well friend. No hard feelings. To each his own.



posted on Aug, 28 2013 @ 09:04 AM
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Thanks for posting the insight into the mind of a misogynist. Respectfully, it's certainly every bit as skewed, misguided, and presumptuous as I imagined it to be.

Not going to break it all down but here are a few things that are patently false that struck a cord with me:


If you are a unlucky guy that happens to be ugly, shirt, broke then chances are you are an omega male. Women hate hate hate HATE the omage male.


Everyone needs to have something to offer. You're right in that very few woman are going to want an ugly, poor, immature, comic book reading, lives with mama, video game addicted male. Just like men are generally not going to want a 300 pound hairy big bertha of a woman with body odor and hairy warts, fetishes aside. Nobody has to be perfect and rich and gorgeous and smart and famous to find love. But everyone needs to have SOMETHING to offer a potential mate.


Females view chivalry as sexism


Way off. There are some super uber feminazis who would screech at a man for opening a door but MOST women would politely accept the gesture.


You see a female can be short, tall, fat, skinny, a model, broke, masculine, feminine and still be loved.


Out of your entire post, this was the most incorrect statement you made. As the saying goes, a woman's beauty is her strongest commodity. Go and ask some ugly, fat, nerd girls about their experiences. It will surprise you.

Even on shows like The Big Bang Theory, the female idols are always the hot chicks, models, sexy girls, etc. No matter how ugly, nerdy, poor, fat, stupid, a male lead, the girl is ALMOST ALWAYS hot.

One of my aunts is the 'fat girl' of our family. She is alone and unmarried- the stereotypical old school marm. She even told me that men will take 'ugly' before they love 'fat.'

Growing up, I was a HIDEOUS adolescent and late bloomer- couldn't have paid a guy to go on a date with me. When I came of age, I couldn't keep them away. Nothing changed- just looks. Men can be shallow, too.


Women's porn is even limited to tall, fit, and rich guys.


I'm no porn expert but no doubt they don't star men who look like Howard Wolowitz. Duh? Likewise, I don't see male porn with 500 pound 60 year old women. Again, fetish porn aside.

That's all I'm going to touch on. I will respect your opinon and refrain from personal attacks. Frankly, if this is how you truly feel, then women are better off without men who whole your attitude. Again, respectfully.



posted on Aug, 28 2013 @ 09:05 AM
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I have never ever seen or heard a story about a man leaving his wife because she lost her job.

Agreed.
But I have heard of Henry the 8th lopping off his wives heads because they didn't bear a male heir for him quickly enough.



posted on Aug, 28 2013 @ 09:09 AM
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I have never ever seen or heard a story about a man leaving his wife because she lost her job.


I haven't either but I know a TON of men who have left because their wife got fat, old, diagnosed with cancer or a debilitating illness, didn't do 'it' for them anymore, found a younger model, etc.



posted on Aug, 28 2013 @ 09:25 AM
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I'm guessing you don't have any "in the field" research.

You hold open doors because you "love" them? That sounds like nonsense. One doesn't just arbitrarily love people. Maybe that's your problem—you think everyone should love you back.



posted on Aug, 28 2013 @ 09:26 AM
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Man, I'm sorry. Seriously. I'm really hoping that you are very young and have only encountered younger women. These things you speak of, these traits you believe all women to have... they are not nearly as prevalent in adults.

Also, these men you are bitter about? They don't exist in the same status nearly as commonly as high-status geeks.

I am average height, average build, and have looks that appeal to a very specific type of woman. I have never been interested in a woman who didn't choose me over some "alpha" male. It is confidence. You don't need to have a six-pack set of abs or make a million dollars a year in between your football games and date rapes.

All you need is the ability to demonstrate that you are not going to be some sort of drain on them emotionally. It also helps if you are funny. Not bitter. Women (and men, actually) prefer partners who are INTERESTING. Being a hot dude is interesting if you know nothing else about them. If you are confident but not a male model, it makes the person wonder "what's he so confident about?" and that's interesting too because they then want to know what's up.

You sound like most guys I know who's emotional intellect ran deeper than skin in high school. Most of those guys feel jaded and very bitter. The problem is that, while those guys complained about the busty blondes hanging on the quarterback, there were genuinely awesome chicks watching you lust and anger over it. Then they wrote in their journals about how you guys only like busty "alpha" women. It's a 2-way street.

And just so you understand that I'm not talking out of my ass, let me tell you about my marriage. I just turned 34 and my wife and I just celebrated our 13th year of marital bliss. If you look at us, you would say she's far out of my league. She's beautiful, smart, talented, a perfect mother, spiritually advanced, and a very hard worker. As I mentioned, I'm no Johnny Depp. When we met, I told her we would be married someday. We were married 6 months after I met her. I tell you this not to brag but to make you understand that you have this whole woman concept waaaaay wrong. As the people around you get older, you will see people mature and prioritize. Girls who want what you call the "alpha male" will become women who want wonderful and interesting partner(s). Just like men. When we are young, we have very idealized versions of women.

In your defense, one problem is very evident. In order for men to look "hot", we have to work very very very hard. Six packs don't come naturally in humans yet they are often expected by the media. Women on the other hand, look hot by default. The average woman would be considered "hot". There are tons of female super models who look no better than the average woman I see in the grocery store but you can't say the same thing about men. But again, this isn't the fault of a gender; it's the media. Men still have the upper hand when it comes to body image but, you're right, the things that are wrong with our image are mostly ignored with little empathy.

Good luck. I can tell you that the first step in being interesting to women is actually liking them. Misogynists sometimes get the ladies but they are the "alpha" types that you seem to hate. Why take on the worst trait of the "alpha"?



posted on Aug, 28 2013 @ 09:36 AM
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Let's move onto the beta and omega males of society. If you are a unlucky guy that happens to be ugly, shirt, broke then chances are you are an omega male. Women hate hate hate HATE the omage male. That nerdy scrawny short harmless guy that gets bullied for liking anime women and doing other unattractive geeky thingsis hated more than rapists and killers. Women will take an abuse badboy over the omega male any day of the week. The omega male is pure weakness and women HATE any form of weakness in men.


I'd like to consider myself a strong and independant woman with high standards, and my husband is most definietly NOT what I would consider an "omega male". In fact, he has more heart and a more brilliant mind than most traditional "alphas"...I don't care that he's not loaded with cash, I didn't care when his hairline started backing up, I didn't care he wasn't a "muscle man" and so forth. He had heart, character, a great sense of humor and a kindness unparalled by any one I'd met up to that point and since....and that automatically makes him an Alpha to me personally.

I'm no misandrist, but I had given up on guys completely and ended up a friend of twenty years (he had given up on women as well by that point). We never expected to fall in love, and we had both sworn off the idea of marriage until we starting hanging out as friends full time....it took four years of being casual roomates and buddies before we realized that we were really in love with one another and got married.

Please dont' let the dogs chew your shoes. There are good women out there, they're just as hard to find as a good man. It's all about finding the right match in a world full of billions of people, which isn't easy. Hang in there and be true to your ideals and don't be afriad of opening up to the possibilitiy that it's just a matter of time before the Right One manifests.

Best wishes man - it ain't easy out there but don't give up. High standards are important, and you have them. That's a quality a lot of mature women hold in high regard.


edit on 8/28/13 by GENERAL EYES because: corrected grammar errors



posted on Aug, 28 2013 @ 09:58 AM
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You seriously need to meet more women, because not all are like that. It's true some women see men as nothing more than just prizes to show off, they are usually worldly and materialistic in their values.

Being a men is easy, because society sees woman who go into high status in the work place as bad mothers.

Just check out the heat this female CEO got for putting the needs of her child over her co workers children.

[link]http://hollywoodlife.com/2013/02/26/marissa-mayer-baby-work-yahoo-ceo/[/link]

Any man intimidated by a woman's hard work, should take notes to better himself or help the woman in their life succeed at their job.



posted on Aug, 28 2013 @ 10:04 AM
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Why I love my wife, and respect her as an equal to me in every way.

Let me tell you a story that contradicts most of your points.

I started off working at 16, went to school and worked full time, in College quintessential "alpha" Male, moved on to business, Every job I had I rise to management in short order.

I am Ruthless at getting what I want in business, by the time I am 24 I am making 6 Figures, at 25 I have a Massive, and I do mean massive Stroke.

Currently at 32 I am still disabled, I have managed to find ways to bring an income and survive.

How did I survive? My wife who loves me.

When I met my wife outta HS, she has been there for me every step of the way, from when I made nothing to making well over 100k a year and back again.

Not once have I doubted her commitment and love for me, when I was making 100k she was there along with me... DOING the same thing, now she continues to be the bread winner.

Oh and as for the rest of which is frankly not your business, I have never had a "Dry" spell longer than 2 days, YOU sir are jaded.

You have used your intelligence to justify your hate based on your limited experience with the opposite sex.
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posted on Aug, 28 2013 @ 10:18 AM
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-You see we men open doors for women because we love you. (Females view chivalry as sexism)
-We supported feminism because we loved you. (You think men better support it or else)
-We die for you because we love you. (You females think men are expendable)
-We work long hours to support the family because we men love you. (You females selfishly want men to work less)


- we open doors not out of some sense of love. Most men would open a door for a complete stranger...a woman just happens to be there. It's manners learned. A part of the social male/female game. It's you saying..."Hi, I'm nice...I'm polite and well mannered.". It's almost instinctive.

- Most men today don't like or support feminism. Those that do, do so out of sense of right to equality not love of women. Hell...most women don't like feminists either. I hope you understand that being a woman does not mean being a feminist by default ?

- "We die for you because we love you." - In Romeo and Julliette...yes...and other romantic fantasy novels. It happens far rarer in real life. However, we have been known to kill her or others around her...because we..."love her".

- "We work long hours to support the family because we men love you." - ooor we sometimes work long hours because we have mistresses, or we can't get any peace at home with all the kids yelling and nagging, or we are simply mad workaholics....the point is...it's not always about love. Most of the days...it's for survival.



posted on Aug, 28 2013 @ 10:52 AM
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I feel sorry for you. There are tons of wonderful women out there, not at all like the one's you describe. Get all that crap out of your head. Please.



posted on Aug, 28 2013 @ 11:33 AM
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I think the idea for this thread came from the OP-er's posts v. me in another thread.

I will say that it looks like the OP has been reading up on the terms "alpha male," "beta male" and "omega male" and is now using the them more precisely. I wonder whether his reading informed him that while those titles are still used to describe preferential mating in bird populations, that much of that thought has been largely debunked when it comes to troop/group behavior in pack mammals, especially wolves. Primate group dynamics have also been updated as well, and those terms are no longer used, since it has been shown that "alpha male" in most primate troops do not have exclusive access to alpha females.

I think the OP suffers from the problem that many young adults do in our society: While they are legally treated as adults, they "can't get no respect" because they don't have any life experience to go along with their education or age-credentials. This means they have low status, even though they have the education or ability to match those who have already acquired higher status.

Young adults, particularly males, often fantasize about crisis or catastrophe scenarios, because it would give them a chance to move up the social ladder more quickly than years of building status will probably take them. This is part of the appeal of "Zombie Apocalypse" stories in the popular media. A guy like the OP who has trouble finding a mate or a job right now could rise quickly in a crisis.

Anyone besides the OP cannot help but read his screed as a giant rationalization for not scoring with the ladies.

All I can say is, it sucks to be young.

I was young once, and couldn't get laid either. I perfected my game, and started doing pretty well by the time I figured out that the game wasn't worth playing. Getting naked with strangers you don't really trust is no way to find fulfillment or happiness.

I will say that, about the time I had sworn off women (and I mean REALLY swore them off) is when it started coming together for me. I met a woman who, although more than a decade younger, shared my values. Being a husband and father is one of the most fulfilling roles in my life. I did not grow up in a big family (either nuclear or extended), and had no idea how much I would treasure being the father of many children. My wife and I are both walking away from lucrative careers in order to spend more time with the kids.

OP, you sound unhappy as hell. I don't know what it will take to get you to your happy place, but I pray you find it sooner rather than later. You deserve to be happy.

While I do not believe that there is "One special person out there for you," I do believe that a well adjusted man could make a good life with probably 4 of any 10 women you were randomly paired up with.

From what you write, I don't think you could be happy with 1 woman in 100. And that doesn't reflect poorly on them; it reflects poorly on you.

While I don't believe that new-agey crap in "the Secret," what if it was true that the universe is a giant mirror and you get reflected back to you whatever you present? If that is true, you're in for a world of 'snap.'

I hope you work it out.



posted on Aug, 28 2013 @ 12:05 PM
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Women are wonderful. Sure there are bad ones, But there are pretty amazing ones to. You can't give up hope of finding the right one. Go on....Take a chance, You may be surprised
...And lay off the serious studying!. You will never work them out!. Just enjoy them



posted on Aug, 28 2013 @ 12:30 PM
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Originally posted by Barthandelus

This is why men dislike women being the leader, the breadwinner, because when the male status is lower than the female she'll lose sexual interest in her mate. This is also why women dislike 90% of the short men on earth. Short men to women look very weak and all women hate weakness in men. When I started to realize that women demand perfect confidence, perfect assertiveness, perfect emotional strengths in men it really hit me that women DON'T view us as human. Women's instincts are basically saying I as a male can't lack confidence or have emotional flaws like a NORMAL human being. Think about it.....every girl will tell you that a lack of confidence is a turn off. Truth is humans CAN'T be confidence 24/7 like some damn robot, but women expect it of men.



You are sure to get beat up over this post. But I appreciate it, as it is a calm and logical discussion point, if the group will let it be.

While I disagree with the majority of your premise, something in the above is true. Women DO expect you to be the "perfect" whatever. And I wouldn't have it any other way.

I have done fairly well for a redneck country boy. And I owe every last bit of it to my wife demanding me to be a better man. 100%. Without her pushing me, I would still be living in a dump, with a crappy and unrewarding job, and no one to really live for outside of my aging mother, and possibly my screw up sisters (eek!).

She gives me purpose. And we enjoy our times together, doing things together.

In exchange for her demanding so much from me, and my own balance of femininity (to appease her), she does the same. She has become more logical and less emotional in her thinking and communication. I have made my own demands. And we have met in the middle, 20 years later.

You just need to grow a little. You have the beginnings of a great lifes premise. Now let it mature into an inclusive viewpoint, not an exclusive viewpoint. Because your view into women is kind of like holding a mirror.
We are all flawed. It is the right balance of male/female that will make any of us successful.



posted on Aug, 28 2013 @ 12:32 PM
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Originally posted by Night Star
I feel sorry for you. There are tons of wonderful women out there, not at all like the one's you describe. Get all that crap out of your head. Please.


Men tend toward shallow women.

The OP is talking about how he can work "to get hot". That is not a mature insight. And it betrays the kind of trough he has been drinking from. No wonder the water tastes so sour!

If you want to be treated like a human, find a human woman. One with a scar, or stretchmarks. Or that snorts when she giggles. Find a real woman....not someone trying to appear airbrushed all the time.
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posted on Aug, 28 2013 @ 12:38 PM
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Originally posted by bigfatfurrytexan
One with a scar, or stretchmarks. Or that snorts when she giggles.


I must be truly screwed up in the head because I find all of those things sexy has hell.

Scars help me relate to her since I have a bunch, stretchmarks remind me of her doing something so awesome that I will never be able to do, and snorting while laughing has always been kind of hot.

Truly, though... I think that's the OP's main problem. It boils down to "I can't get women that are out of my league according to society, woe is me"...



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