Obama's top objective is now clear-It isn't Socialism,he wants to establish a M.E.Islamic Empire

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posted on Aug, 27 2013 @ 10:16 PM
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Furthermore, the Obama administration has been incredibly hard (harder then previous administrations) on terrorism.
reply to post by Openeye
 

Can you please present evidence that supports that claim? I see no such effort. Yes, he talks a great deal about how tough he is, but that is where it stops. Al Qaeda is as strong as it was before he took office.
www.huffingtonpost.com...
King, who chairs the House Subcommittee on Counterterrorism and Intelligence, and has more information than any member of Congress about Al Qada said that Sunday. Read the above link.




posted on Aug, 27 2013 @ 10:17 PM
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To instill a Islamic Empire? Nah. To further destabilize the region and thus ensure the world looks to the States for a stable flow of energy? Absolutely.
reply to post by ownbestenemy
 

Thank you for your opinion. I respect it.



posted on Aug, 27 2013 @ 10:24 PM
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And of course western aid to the rebels in Syria is prime move to make sure radicals do not hijack that revolution. In conclusion the OP seems not only confused about what has been going on in ME but, seems be confused about how killing and acting to counter radicals is some how helping them build an empire.
reply to post by MrSpad
 

So helping Al Qaeda overthrow Assad hurts Al Qaeda. It seem you are confused, not me. Furthermore, the drone attacks are planned by military leaders, and Obama merely signs off on them. He doesn't have a clue as to what those hits are about. You really think he PERSONALLY decides what decisions are made on each drone strike?
Wow, I have a bridge in Brooklyn to sell you.



posted on Aug, 27 2013 @ 10:24 PM
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Excellent point, but the question then is, what the hell are we doing?


It's a globalist agenda.

The entire point is to destabilize in order to usher in one world government, or at the very least, large region governance like we see in the NAU.

That doesn't actually work with religion. You can't use that kind of thing as a vehicle of control to that point. Not in today's world.

~Tenth



posted on Aug, 27 2013 @ 10:28 PM
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I don't think Obama is trying to usher in and Islamic Empire in the US, that's just ridiculous.
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READ the OP. I NEVER said he wanted to establish an Islamic Empire in the US. I said HIS main objective is to establish a M.E. Empire. Hint- M. E. stands for Middle East, and the ATS OP title would not allow me to expand the title to spell out Middle East. That is why I edited it. BEFORE anyone replied to the post.You really need to read and understand what is written before you respond to something that was not posted.



posted on Aug, 27 2013 @ 10:33 PM
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never said that WHY he was doing what he DID was a FACT.


But you did:


No one that looks at these FACTS can deny his intentions. He wants an Islamic empire established. Why? Perhaps he really is the Manchurian candidate.


That's you saying he wants to usher in an Islamic Empire, based on your personal observations, that you then claim are facts.

And yes, although he did make THOSE decisions, none of them have led, or will lead to the creation of an Islamic Empire. There is not a single shred of evidence that supports this assertion.

You are using individual, non related events and decisions, mostly made in times of duress when events were unfolding beyond anybody's control.

As a side note, my status as a moderator bears no actual value in this conversation, I am a member first, moderator second.

ETA: regardless if you meant US or ME, it doesn't matter, either isn't supported by logic.

~Tenth
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posted on Aug, 27 2013 @ 10:33 PM
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So he ultimately thinks these actions are what the mid-east needs in order for peace to be achieved.
reply to post by Timing
 

It reminds me of Chamberlain, with his "Peace at any Price", giving in to Hitler. If you are right, he will go down in History as a fool, as big as Chamberlain, because "peace" will mean that women will be under Islamic control, and forced back into caves, with no education or other rights granted only to men.



posted on Aug, 27 2013 @ 10:39 PM
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You are using individual, non related events and decisions, mostly made in times of duress when events were unfolding beyond anybody's control.
reply to post by tothetenthpower
 

A person is nothing more than a collection of his actions and beliefs. We all have to make decisions that are under duress at some point in our lives. Most of us don't decide to bomb people because we don't hold their views. Why should the US get involved in another war? It seems that we haven't benefited from all the wars Bush and Obama got themselves into. Furthermore, there is considerable evidence that we are worse off.
edit on 27-8-2013 by ProfEmeritus because: typo



posted on Aug, 27 2013 @ 10:44 PM
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Woah meow, I'm not pro Syria intervention mind you.

But the US contributed to this mess more than they'd like to admit.

Removing Ghadafi, sending weapons to rebels who are late found to be just as terrible as those they are fighting.

The problem with a country like the US is that you can't grandstand. You can't act like Iran and claim you're going to commit to military action and not do it.

Uncle Sam takes every double doggy dare anybody wants to throw at him.

Personally, I think Obama is mostly the victim of circumstance and the ruling elite. I don't think he really has any control, or anything to really say, about anything.

He's just the 8 year scapegoat. Next time it'll be Hillary. Actually, if there's anybody whom I think are in the gang that run the place, I'd put my money on the Clintons long before the Obamas.

~Tenth



posted on Aug, 27 2013 @ 10:47 PM
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Perhaps Obama Inc. is in league with organizations that are attempting an Islamic Caliphate.

The term caliphate refers to the first system of governance established in Islam.

Muslims dream of a caliphate that can unite the entire Muslim world and rule with strict Islamic code ever since the death of Muhammed.

At least that's what I think it is.

Something like the Ottoman Caliphate ?



posted on Aug, 27 2013 @ 10:54 PM
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Personally, I think Obama is mostly the victim of circumstance and the ruling elite. I don't think he really has any control, or anything to really say, about anything.
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You really don't think he has any control? Wow, he certainly seemed in control when it came to Obamacare. In addition, he certainly seemed in control when he treated Bibi like garbage when Bibi visited the White House. He certainly seemed in control when he dissed Putin and refused to honor his commitment to meet him before the economic summit. He certainly seemed in control when he decided to force Christians to pay for abortive services under pain of crime. Do you think he'll make Muslims eat pork? No, I doubt that.
Well, you're entitled to your opinion. I have a different opinion, and that is what I asked for, so thanks for your response.



posted on Aug, 27 2013 @ 10:59 PM
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Wow, he certainly seemed in control when it came to Obamacare.


That's a domestic issue. Health Care Reform would have occurred under any POTUS at the time, and would largely have looked the same.


n addition, he certainly seemed in control when he treated Bibi like garbage when Bibi visited the White House. He certainly seemed in control when he dissed Putin and refused to honor his commitment to meet him before the economic summit.


Those diplomatic relations have been strained for a long time. I doubt they have anything to do with him wanting to establish an Empire of Islam abroad.


He certainly seemed in control when he decided to force Christians to pay for abortive services under pain of crime.


That's sort of a moot point.

All these things you are pointing to aren't proof of him favoring Muslims over anybody. It's proof that he's an inexperienced politician, who was handed a Presidency along with a Nobel Peace Prize.

His opponents always stated that Obama would contribute to the decline of diplomatic relations around the world and so far they were right, but it's nothing to do with religion.

He just sucks.

Obama has no control over world affairs or domestic policy that actually matters.

~Tenth



posted on Aug, 27 2013 @ 10:59 PM
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Perhaps Obama Inc. is in league with organizations that are attempting an Islamic Caliphate
reply to post by xuenchen
 

Thank you xuebchen. That is also my opinion.It's hard for me to draw any other conclusion, unless I buy the conspiracy that the President has no real power, and I don't buy that. Look at all the harm Obama has done with the economy. Now, we have a sequester, and he's taking credit for cutting the deficit.



posted on Aug, 27 2013 @ 11:02 PM
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All these things you are pointing to aren't proof of him favoring Muslims over anybody.
reply to post by tothetenthpower
 

You keep drawing conclusions that I did not make. You said he is controlled by some mysterious hidden power or set of powers. I merely gave examples of things that he did that showed he is in control.



posted on Aug, 27 2013 @ 11:12 PM
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Caliphates have enjoyed much power over the centuries.

All these recent concerted efforts in Muslim countries have seemed to be very organized.

Those guys have a lot of history on their side.

This week marks the second anniversary of the birth of the “Arab Spring”, which began when President Zine El Abidine Ben Ali of Tunisia fled to Saudi Arabia after only a month of protest against his rule. Egypt, Libya, and Yemen dictators have been overthrown and rebels now control most of Mali and Syria. Bahrain, Kuwait, Lebanon, Morocco, Jordan, Saudi Arabia and Sudan are also suffering protests.

The United States and Europe directly and clandestinely encouraged this revolutionary fever with the naive expectation that these countries could be pacified by evolving into European-style welfare states. Unfortunately for the West, these people have a common heritage as a series of Caliphate Empires that from 622 AD to 1258 AD were the most powerful, wealthy and cultured nation on earth.

Arab Spring revolutionaries understand it took 200 years for Islamic forces to defeat the Crusaders. They have demonstrated by invading Mali and attacking Algeria that they are embarking on a protracted war of liberation to reestablish Caliphate of the Moors to control of North Africa, the Middle East and Southern Europe.


New Islamic Caliphate Challenges Western Crusaders


And we don't seem to hear the word "Caliphate" to much in the MSM....I wonder why?

I bet the world Communists are involved too.



posted on Aug, 27 2013 @ 11:37 PM
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Obama is nothing more than an impotent puppet. He makes no decisions. He only delivers the message he is given.



posted on Aug, 27 2013 @ 11:58 PM
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I merely gave examples of things that he did that showed he is in control.


Of his own behavior, not policy decisions and actions that led to anything of substance. Other than Obamacare of course.

There's no President since JFK who has held any real power in international events. All of these are sanctioned by the globalist oligarchy that run the place.

That's not opinion, that is fact. One only needs to look at who controls the money to know who controls he world, military or otherwise. Obama is certainly not in charge of any kind of monetary policy.

So he can behave all he wants like he's control and he can support domestic policy all he wants until he's blue in the face. It doesn't make him in charge.

~Tenth



posted on Aug, 28 2013 @ 11:43 AM
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He supported and continued the war in Iraq and Afghanistan, both of which benefited radical Islam.

When did these wars start benefiting Islam? Destroying the infrastructure and killing innocent people is hardly benefiting.


He supported the Muslim Brotherhood in the overthrow of Muraback, a close ally of the US.

The Muslim Brotherhood didn't overthrow Mubarak they fairly won the election. Mubarak was not an ally of the US he was just another person with his hand out for money.


He has shown nothing but contempt for the heroic Egyptian Army, which took out Obama's buddy MB dictator Morsi, even though the Egyptian Army is the only party protecting Egyptian Christians, and preventing their slaughter.

Would this heroic army be the same one that has murdered hundreds of peaceful protesters would it? Some heroes.


Now he sides with Al Qaeda, and every indication is that he is going to attack Syria without congressional approval.

Well Al Qaeda is one of our creations.


He goes out of his way to praise Islam and attend Islamic events, but ignores celebrations of Christians and Jews. Of course, his contempt for Israel is an open book.

Yes shame on him for recognizing another religion one that has been ignored for years. And the he ignores celebrations of Christians and Jews is nothing but a lie. And any real American with half a brain should have nothing but contempt for Israel.



posted on Aug, 28 2013 @ 01:30 PM
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Welcome to reality, glad you finally made it. There are not many here yet, but the population is continually growing. (Based in the ME, but world wide)
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posted on Aug, 28 2013 @ 02:08 PM
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This is true, if you look at the behavior of the administration, it is supporting the same radical Islamic groups that I thought we were not going to support. Even the Opposition in Syria is working with Al Qaeda, and The Muslim Brotherhood is associated with them, as well.





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