Obama's top objective is now clear-It isn't Socialism,he wants to establish a M.E.Islamic Empire

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posted on Aug, 27 2013 @ 09:00 PM
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For years now, I believed that Obama was trying to establish Socialism in the US as his main objective. Although I still believe that, I believe that is main objective is to establish an Islamic empire in the Middle East, which will then threaten Europe and eventually the United States.
As evidence of that, look at what he has done:
He supported and continued the war in Iraq and Afghanistan, both of which benefited radical Islam.
He supported overthrow of Qaddafi in Libya.
He supported the Muslim Brotherhood in the overthrow of Muraback, a close ally of the US.
He has shown nothing but contempt for the heroic Egyptian Army, which took out Obama's buddy MB dictator Morsi, even though the Egyptian Army is the only party protecting Egyptian Christians, and preventing their slaughter.
Now he sides with Al Qaeda, and every indication is that he is going to attack Syria without congressional approval.
No one that looks at these FACTS can deny his intentions. He wants an Islamic empire established. Why? Perhaps he really is the Manchurian candidate.
I'd like to discuss this, and find out what others think. The facts are clear. The ultimate result of these events is most probably a middle east dominated by radical Islam. What is not clear is why Obama is taking this path.
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posted on Aug, 27 2013 @ 09:07 PM
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Well he did support the muslim brotherhood in Egypt. He is supporting the 'rebel's in Syria.

Some people will dismiss this, but the fact is either by his own incompetence, and inexperience this is exactly what is happening.

The ME views Russia, and China more favorably than the US.



posted on Aug, 27 2013 @ 09:16 PM
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I just don't know....and the thing is....the world doesn't know. What is American foreign policy? Are we for promoting the growth of democratic ideals through strong ties, our cultural, our influence? Are we backing the Muslim Brotherhood in Syria, but not officially in Egypt?

The way I see it is this:

We attack Syria with our "limited strike" package. Iran, as crazy as they are, holds true and just launches all they have at Israel. Israel of course responds but not just limited to Iran. They hit Syria, the West Bank, and Jordan (all Hezbollah outposts). Russia in turn, wanting to keep their Mediterranean port secure, defends Syria and unleashes attacks on Israel. The United States in kind, defends Israel, but doesn't attack Russia.

China moves to secure its sphere of influence in Iran; backing them but ultimately they will just instill a puppet Government that does their bidding. Syria becomes a puppet of Russia, the United States loses the last bit of credibility it has in the region, Israel is decimated; but in so--the region falls into chaos. Egypt erupts, West Bank collapses, Jordan is a mess, Saudi Arabia moves to control the area.

So no it isn't about a M.E. Islamic Empire....it is about complete chaos in the Middle East. Disrupt the oil markets because the United States, along with Canada -- are sitting on some huge reserves of usable and provable fuels.



posted on Aug, 27 2013 @ 09:19 PM
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Yes, he did, as well as supporting several other Islamic parties in the overthrow of Libya, and several minor African countries. He goes out of his way to praise Islam and attend Islamic events, but ignores celebrations of Christians and Jews. Of course, his contempt for Israel is an open book.



posted on Aug, 27 2013 @ 09:20 PM
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I hate to say this, but the US is a socialist country and has been for 100 years but that point aside, he personally isn't trying to do anything at all. He is a spokesperson, doing what he is told, but you have to ask for who.

His goal in the ME is to remove two things: Any competing currencies to the dollar and to get all the countries in the area to pledge their assets to the IMF so they may then borrow money.

The other thing "he" is doing for those he serves is to help rid the planet of the scourge that is those who refuse to accept usury as a form of control, specifically compound interest. Right now, the Islamic states are opposed to compound interest or full on american style debt.

As for socialism, the only ism that matters is Fiat Currencyism. You are not in a democracy, it is remnants of a republic, and that system ended when the country went bankrupt 100 years ago. The ism doesn't matter, you're enslaved by interest on debt, not the redistribution of that debt. Obama is a spokesperson, even a small company of say, 150 employees cannot be run by one man,.



posted on Aug, 27 2013 @ 09:26 PM
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Well I agree that Obama is no Socialist... and I also agree that there is a clear agenda with the ME, Obama's just the latest in a long line of President's to kowtow to whoever (oil cartels) set that agenda.



posted on Aug, 27 2013 @ 09:31 PM
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So no it isn't about a M.E. Islamic Empire....it is about complete chaos in the Middle East.
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Thanks for your opinion. Even what you describe, if it were to happen, would be more Islamic Regimes.
Furthermore, I don't think there is any way the Russia acts here, because they don't need to. It is a win-win situation for Russia, and Obama has created that. Currently, they side with Assad, but they will not risk a nuclear war, because there is no need. Furthermore, Iran doesn't need to do anything, even though they threaten to, because, like Russia, they are in a win-win situation. If the US attacks Syria, they gain a great poker chip in the world opinion market, because the US loses what little credibility that they have. Iran and Russia need do nothing because they can't lose in this situation.
Israel won't get involved, because if the US attacks, then the US is doing their dirty work for them. Iran uses the countries around them as proxies, and Israel uses the US as their proxy, and as a result, neither country gets their hands dirty.
Obama is a complete fool, because he is playing right into a lose-lose situation for the US, just as he has done for 5 years now. The man is a moron, and he has morons for advisers, and those are facts. They are all ideologues that have no experience in world affairs.



posted on Aug, 27 2013 @ 09:32 PM
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Hard to have a conversation when:


I'd like to discuss this, and find out what others think. The facts are clear.


It seems like you'd rather an echo chamber than a lively conversation.

I don't think Obama is trying to usher in and Islamic Empire in the US, that's just ridiculous.

Your personal opinion, is not indicative a single man's wishes for the US. Even if it WAS true, what do you expect one POTUS to do in the 3 lonely and obstructionist years he has left in office?

~Tenth



posted on Aug, 27 2013 @ 09:37 PM
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I agree he (and by extension his advisers) are either really that idiotic or there is an underlying game being played. I can see why Russia or even Iran doesn't have to act, but each has their own interest in the area. Iran is wanting to show they are a world power. Russia wants to show they can still influence beyond their borders other than Cuba. China wants to get into the Middle East, but not through war but through veiled trade. The United States wants the world to see that the Middle East is no longer the hub of the world's energy (though its domestic policies are conflicting).

To instill a Islamic Empire? Nah. To further destabilize the region and thus ensure the world looks to the States for a stable flow of energy? Absolutely.
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posted on Aug, 27 2013 @ 09:45 PM
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ehhhhh....... I have a funny feeling that this is not his last three years in office



posted on Aug, 27 2013 @ 09:45 PM
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Obama really only supports the Egytian military in Egypt as we have now clearly seen he had no problem watching Mubarak go down any more than he did the Muslim Bortherhood. The US funds the Egyptian military and it does not act without checking with the US. The US be nice and friendly with whomever rules Egypt all along keeping the military in its back pocket to remove them when they displease him.

As for the rest of the middle east Obama has massively increased the drone war against Islamic radicals. Western intervetion in Libya ruined islamic radicals attemts to high jack the revolution. I am not sure how the pull outs in Iraq or Afganistan help anybody. And of course western aid to the rebels in Syria is prime move to make sure radicals do not hijack that revolution. In conclusion the OP seems not only confused about what has been going on in ME but, seems be confused about how killing and acting to counter radicals is some how helping them build an empire. In other words this is about as silly as calling him a socialist. The facts prove quite the opposite of both silly theories.



posted on Aug, 27 2013 @ 09:46 PM
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I think destabilization is definitely the goal but with a different reason behind it... not for us to sell our oil or more of it, we already do that just fine, but to get control of their oil supply.



posted on Aug, 27 2013 @ 09:49 PM
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Originally posted by Kali74
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I think destabilization is definitely the goal but with a different reason behind it... not for us to sell our oil or more of it, we already do that just fine, but to get control of their oil supply.


I was thinking of the more viable natural gas market. We own it. Push the world to that and we become the new "cartel" and king of world energy -- with stability to back it.

I agree overall though, control their supply but I believe it is to ween the world off oil onto natural gas.
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posted on Aug, 27 2013 @ 09:49 PM
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Why would he support a drone program that combats radical Islamic fundamentalists then? Furthermore, the Obama administration has been incredibly hard (harder then previous administrations) on terrorism.

Hell you probably can't even be a Muslim in the United States or the west in general without being monitored by some intelligence agency.
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posted on Aug, 27 2013 @ 09:49 PM
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Excellent point, but the question then is, what the hell are we doing? As an average citizen I don't have a freaking clue what my country stands for anymore. What is our plan, and what are we doing in the middle east? Have we become totally insane? Is it for oil? I don't see gas prices coming down.

What, in the ever loving crap, is Obama doing here, or really anywhere, that is fixing the misdirection our country has taken in mid-east policy, or any policy for that matter? I honestly can't see anything positive in the last 10 years, or the next three.

The next guy will no doubt be even worse, democrat or republican.

Man, we need to get our # together. (sorry mods, for the curse word, but this is my first time, and I really couldn't think of expressing it in any other way than with a "big boy" word).



posted on Aug, 27 2013 @ 09:54 PM
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Originally posted by Openeye
reply to post by ProfEmeritus
 


Why would he support a drone program that combats radical Islamic fundamentalists then? Furthermore, the Obama administration has been incredibly hard (harder then previous administrations) on terrorism.

Hell you probably can't even be a Muslim in the United States or the west in general without being monitored by some intelligence agency.
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How does the impacts of all the piddly drone strikes compare to the big operations ?

Libya for one had much bigger POW-BAM factor than all the drones put together.

Perhaps the small side shows are just for show.



posted on Aug, 27 2013 @ 09:54 PM
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Originally posted by caterpillage
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Excellent point, but the question then is, what the hell are we doing? As an average citizen I don't have a freaking clue what my country stands for anymore. What is our plan, and what are we doing in the middle east? Have we become totally insane? Is it for oil? I don't see gas prices coming down.


And you won't -- on any of your questions. Even the loving pundits in American media are questioning the Administration's actions and goals. We are for it in Country X but against it in Country Y and support it in Country Z. We have no foreign policy. Hell even under President Bush we had one (even if you disagreed with it).


What, in the ever loving crap, is Obama doing here, or really anywhere, that is fixing the misdirection our country has taken in mid-east policy, or any policy for that matter? I honestly can't see anything positive in the last 10 years, or the next three.


Neither can anyone else. There is a some nefarious underlying game playing going on.


Man, we need to get our # together. (sorry mods, for the curse word, but this is my first time, and I really couldn't think of expressing it in any other way than with a "big boy" word).



Curse word or not...its the darn truth. We are a floundering fish upon the deck of the Sea of Changes -- that has no captain nor course.



posted on Aug, 27 2013 @ 10:02 PM
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Mid-east empire? Nah, more like someone in his cabinet stroking his ego telling him that he is a great "uniter." So he ultimately thinks these actions are what the mid-east needs in order for peace to be achieved.

Obamacare AND Peace in the Mid-East? That's a hell of a legacy right there....



posted on Aug, 27 2013 @ 10:07 PM
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I never said that WHY he was doing what he DID was a FACT. Here is what I said was a fact, and I asked ATS members to chime in on WHY he made those decisions. As a moderator, you should read each item carefully, before you make a false accusation.



posted on Aug, 27 2013 @ 10:09 PM
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I think destabilization is definitely the goal but with a different reason behind it... not for us to sell our oil or more of it, we already do that just fine, but to get control of their oil supply.
reply to post by Kali74
 

Thank you. I'm glad that someone understood what I asked of participants.





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