Americans , aren't you going to do something

Originally posted by mideast
Salam and peace ATS members.

I was thinking much about the situation we are in for almost one year.

Syria. It has been clear for you who these rebels are. And if it isn't , check here

I want to talk some sentences to American people..

You know that US govt was involved in Iraq and Afghanistan based on lies and they were brain washing people before 9/11 ans WMD's.

You saw that GWB from Skull & Bones torn these countries apart.Now it is turn for John Kerry.

How comes that you still buy what your govt is telling you and don't stand against it ?

What is wrong with you ?

Aren't you going to do something ?

Before America is to do something, YOU and only YOU " Muslims people of the world" have to unite under peace. End the tribal wars, end the sectorial fights and come together as one voice for peace, one voice for world cohabitation, one voice for all and any religious beliefs. It's that easy, that simple. As of now all we hear or see is the East asking for help from the West for troubles in their own land. The west comes to help and then they get bad mouths by half the East...It's never a win win and the West always comes out looking like the tyrant.

Fix your problems on your own and leave us alone.

reply to post by mideast


I have given this question a good deal of thought and have finally come to a conclusion.

If there is blowback and retailiation for any strikes this governmaent makes toward Syria, or Iran for that matter. As long as the resulting actions are confined to the Washinton, D.C. area, I will just sit tight and cry for the "collateral damage" which they have brought down upon those there.

However, if there is any type of ground incursion with troops, I will pick up arms in defense of my country, and not feel any sorrow for those I meet in battle. I will fight here at home but will not go to some foreign soil in support of this administration.

Some would say this is splitting fine hairs, but I can't help but believe those in power have brought this on themselves.

reply to post by Goldcurrent

This may be cruel and heartless, but sometimes you have to clean up your own dogs**t in your own backyard.

But doing the opposite is mindless. While there are proofs that US is steering the war in the region , other last wars were based on lies , starting new war is .....

Originally posted by swanne
reply to post by mideast

 

I'm tired of people thinking that revolution is romantic, revolution is the "right" way, revolution is fun. These people need a reality check. Be not what you accuse others to be.

At least revolution can result to change

Originally posted by FlyersFan

Originally posted by mideast
What is wrong with you ?
Aren't you going to do something ?

Iran is involved in Syria just as much as anyone else. Iran supports the international terrorism.
Iran keeps the terrorist group Hamas alive. The government of Iran lies to it's citizens and
doesn't allow freedom of speech. Iran hangs homosexuals in the streets simply because they
are homosexual. Iran locks up political prisoners and lets them die in prisons without having
trials .. or without them having legitimate trials. Iran walks hand in hand with North Korea,
which mass murders it's civilians by starving them to death.

What is wrong with you?
Aren't you going to do something??

edit on 8/27/2013 by FlyersFan because: added n. korea

IF we had a christian fundamentalist government in america they would be doing the same things. How often do we get bible belt fanatics here on ATS and elsewhere hating on homosexuals, on agnostics, on atheists, on muslims, on left wingers, on just about everyone.

At least iran and syria are not part of the bilderberger globalist cartel like the western nations are.

As for north korea they are TRUELY COMMUNIST(not that I love communism because I am center left on the political scale) and have ONLY attacked one country called south korea the last 50 years. How countries has the uk and usa attacked? Thank you, I rest my case.

Who gave you 40 stars and based on what

Originally posted by mideast
At least revolution can result to change

Yeah, you're right: it'll change a bad scenario into an even worst one.

Have you ever wondered what would happen if national defence was put down by a bloodthirsty people? Iran would jump on the occasion. Mafia would seize the opportunity to expand corruption. You speak about peace... Have you ever actually considered the long-term result of your actions?

France, Russia, China... All went through a revolution. Yet the people are still unhappy. There is a lesson to learn here!

Originally posted by DeReK DaRkLy
reply to post by mideast

 

Aren't you going to do something ?

What's the plan? How do you topple 80+ years of collusion and corruption?

I guess by voting for a different party and thus different candidates as well.

Forget what the mainstream media pushes and study the ballot before you drop it in the box.

Otherwise we need more rallies and perhaps even an armed conflict with the politicians who keep messing up this nation.

reply to post by FlyersFan


That's the problem with Islamist states who misinterpret Sharia Law to suit their own fanatic needs, views, & wants. When will the Muslim community stand up to this?

It's true the western Govts need to be wrangled by their people as well but the people of the ME need to take responsibility as well.

Originally posted by Nuke2013

Originally posted by mideast
Salam and peace ATS members.

I was thinking much about the situation we are in for almost one year.

Syria. It has been clear for you who these rebels are. And if it isn't , check here

I want to talk some sentences to American people..

You know that US govt was involved in Iraq and Afghanistan based on lies and they were brain washing people before 9/11 ans WMD's.

You saw that GWB from Skull & Bones torn these countries apart.Now it is turn for John Kerry.

How comes that you still buy what your govt is telling you and don't stand against it ?

What is wrong with you ?

Aren't you going to do something ?

Before America is to do something, YOU and only YOU " Muslims people of the world" have to unite under peace. End the tribal wars, end the sectorial fights and come together as one voice for peace, one voice for world cohabitation, one voice for all and any religious beliefs. It's that easy, that simple. As of now all we hear or see is the East asking for help from the West for troubles in their own land. The west comes to help and then they get bad mouths by half the East...It's never a win win and the West always comes out looking like the tyrant.

Fix your problems on your own and leave us alone.

I am pretty sure lots of libyans, syrians, iraqis, afghanis DID NOT ASK for help but got it anyway.

Israel and palestine are the ones that keep asking for help.

Iran does not need help either, but it seems NATO wants to "help them" regardless.

Originally posted by mideast

Originally posted by swanne
reply to post by mideast

 

I'm tired of people thinking that revolution is romantic, revolution is the "right" way, revolution is fun. These people need a reality check. Be not what you accuse others to be.

At least revolution can result to change

Yes it will, and can.

It could lead to a new type of government, one that ends up more tyranical than the last.
It could lead to the defeat of those who revolt, after which follows more restrictive laws and harsh punishments.
It could lead to people being free to do what they want to do.....until the new government decides to start limiting those freedoms again.
It could lead to a lot of bloodshed.......for nothing.

The American revolution resulted in a lot of bloodshed, with a end result that seemed to work for those that wanted freedom. But here we are over 200 years later.....with a government that many feel has gone back to being one that would take away those freedoms.....again.

The French were tired of being poor and starving, so they revolted......the end of which lead to a reign of terror for how long with people being executed?

The Russians revolted against their Czar......and for how long did the USSR hold their people in abject terror in their "police state" they ended up with after that revolution?

Middle eastern countries revolt against their rulers who try to bring their countries into the western world...where instead the people seem to want a theocracy, where their laws dictate the human females are to be considered as property and treated like animals. Instead of being treated like.....human beings.

So yes, revolution can bring change. But that change may not always be "good" nor may it last for very long.

Revolution is always a gamble.

Education, knowledge and respect for each other on the other hand is never a gamble.

Originally posted by eriktheawful

So yes, revolution can bring change. But that change may not always be "good" nor may it last for very long.

Revolution is always a gamble.

Education, knowledge and respect for each other on the other hand is never a gamble.

A revolution for the sake of revolution is stupid. Like you and others say there is no guarantee of better results UNLESS people understand the root cause of everything. Who controls what and how. I have done lots of research and know, but those that make fun of alex jones and david icke will never learn.

Look Mideast,

Fix your own damn country and tell America to stay the hell out. That is what all Mid-East countries should do. You all need to fight for your own freedom. So what if America goes in and stops the big bad Syrian government, are you expecting us to make them citizens of the U.S. of America? No? Then it comes back to you all running your own damn countries.

Let me tell you how to get what YOU want. Go buy a big bad Russian submarine, I hear they are for sale. Then follow an American ship with say 4000 Americans on it and sink it. Make sure the Syrian flag is seen as the torpedoes are sent out. Then we Americans will make Syria a parking lot for you. Then you can all go pitch your tents there. Then do the same with an Iranian flag on a sub and we will make Iran a parking lot. Rinse repeat until all your enemies are gone.

How's that? Leave us the hell alone. I wish to God the American people would dump EVERYONE in government and just abandon Washington D.C. and go back to States negotiating with each other and leave the Fed out. I'm sick of this game, but my dreams are just that, dreams. We are so dependent on this Cloward/Piven strategy and it's surely going to destroy us as intended.

Originally posted by mideast
At least revolution can result to change

What you're suggesting would be suicidal. Only the U.S Military can save America now. Even then, they would have to also fight branches of NAFTA, as well as all of the puppet Sheople Nations forces like Britain, Germany and France ect who are controlled by the Internationalists too. It would be absolute chaos here in the States.

Look, Many of us do not agree with what our Government is doing over there, even if we understand why they are doing it. This is part of the silent black war in the battle for resources against Red China and Russia. other than that though, in plain sight It's business as usual. It's called International Capitalism.

The USA is just the sword that is being swung by a much broader problem. Any Civillian who revolts against The U.S Government would be considered a terrorist. Like I mentioned before, it would be suicidal. So I am not sure what you're trying to accomplish here. Oh and you guys are far from perfect by the way. ~$heopleNation

Originally posted by sulaw
reply to post by mideast

 

Peacful protests are ignored. Try again. Rioting labels the protesters "homeland terrorists"... So again I will ask.

Like what?

Because the numbers were not there.

How many show up and what they chant makes the world of difference.

Trying to dethrone babylon is not easy, takes incredible patience, and a little luck.

Homeland terrorists is what tea party folks get called. The other ones(occupy) get called dirty, lazy hippies. I actually respect both organisations regardless of their differences, but prefer occupy.

Originally posted by mideast

No , I don't.

I said once before that they are minorities , I said Britain made it to explode Shia from within.

So , Am I a fool to support them ?

IS that a necessary question you asked ?

You say "No, I don't" to the question of supporting Bahayiat. Then, you say "So, am I a fool to support them?" Which is it? You support them or you don't.

Originally posted by EarthCitizen07
IF we had a christian fundamentalist government in america they would be doing the same things. ..

And we do NOT have a christian fundamentalist government .. do we?
So your statement is irrelevant ... (and honestly, it's really strange )
We have a secular government. So we don't have those issues at all.

Who gave you 40 stars and based on what

I got 40 stars for telling the truth ... I showed Mideast that this thread is hypocrisy.
He continues to fail to answer the exact same 'question' he is asking others.

Why isn't he doing something about IRAN and IRAN's involvement in Syria.
It's a valid question but he has run away from it this entire thread.

reply to post by FlyersFan


I've been thinking about this very questions Flyer.... I think I have a answer too....

Why isn't he doing something about IRAN and IRAN's involvement in Syria.
It's a valid question but he has run away from it this entire thread.

If Mid East would do something about Iran and it's involvement in Syria.... He would... Undoubtably become a sacrificial lamb to the different sects of the mid east. Sad, sick but true. So why not just blather the same rhetoric he always spews towards the U.S (on ATS) and what we need to do? Because, he can't do squat for his own country.

Originally posted by mideast
reply to post by Goldcurrent

 

This may be cruel and heartless, but sometimes you have to clean up your own dogs**t in your own backyard.

But doing the opposite is mindless. While there are proofs that US is steering the war in the region , other last wars were based on lies , starting new war is .....

You do realize you're begging the very infidels Muslims hate to rescue your sorry butts right? It would be akin to me going to my families murderer and begging for some bread, water and some clothes, and that would never happen. I have known a lot of Muslims and the ones I knew were proud, lovely, and good people who would never beg. They were hospitable and hated the political games. I daresay they feel trapped and that's why many have fled to the despised West with our immoral society. Somehow, methinks, you are just here to spread some stupid propaganda and I wonder just who you are pm'ing and drawing aside to become the next Jihadists.

"Yankee GO HOME... SEND MONEY!!!!"

Originally posted by mideast
reply to post by TinfoilTP

 

Chemical weapons are a no no.

Was helping Saddam and bombing Vietnamese with Agent Orange also a NO-No ,too ?

Yes. As virtually all Americans agree.

Is it your demand that only our failures become our standard? How confusing.

Maybe you don't understand the nature of Democracy vs. Dictatorship?...