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No disrespect to your post, but like many other posts similar, well similar in as much as they ask questions that no one can answer, and at the end of all the criss-crossing of opinions, nothing is actually gained, because it's a subject no one knows anything about, so really you are asking if people have a theory on the supposed implants and assuming aliens are actually real,
Originally posted by AlienView
I have only one answer to what you say as I do not believe intelligent discourse is possible with someone who
has an agenda
Originally posted by interupt42
1. Can someone provide a link to medical journals or peer reviews performed on Dr. Leir?
2. Lets assume Leir is telling the truth , than its possible that the implants are probably to gather data.
Originally posted by AlienView
Many abductees or those who believe they have been abducted by aliens have claimed to have been implanted
with small objects which when removed and analyzed can not be explained. This phenomena has been
researched by Dr. Roger K. Leir:
Dr. Roger K. Leir is one of the worlds most important leaders in physical evidence research involving the field of Ufology. In this special session he will reveal scientific proof that WE ARE NOT ALONE. Dr. Leir is a pediatric surgeon, in private practice for the past 43 years and has written numerous books including The Aliens and the Scalpel, UFO Crash in Brazil, and Casebook Alien Implants.
Dr. Roger Leir and his surgical team have performed 14 surgeries on alleged alien abductees, resulting in the removal of 15 objects suspected of being alien implants. These objects have been scrutinized by some of the most prestigious laboratories in the world: Los Alamos National Labs, Seal Laboratories, the University of Toronto, and the University of California-San Diego. Their findings have been baffling and some comparisons have been made to meteorite samples. In addition, several tests show metallurgical anomalies such as highly magnetic iron, combinations of crystalline materials with common metals, as well as isotopic ratios not of this world. Dr. Leir has traveled to Brazil and performed exhaustive research into the Varginha, Brazil case. He has recently formed a 501(C) 3 non-profit organization for this purpose called A & S Research Inc.
See full article here:
I have heard Leir on talk radio claim that the implants are made of materil not recognizable as from this
planet when it is analyzed by lab testing.
What do you think, is this another indication that man is not alone in the universe?
And if they [aliens] are doing this what is the reason?
Originally posted by Druscilla
Originally posted by ChaoticOrder
reply to post by Druscilla
How many times do you have to repeat the same thing in every abduction related thread before you get tired of it?
When everyone over the course of the entire course of human history gets it through the messy wet noodles of meat they use for cognizance that the imaginary super beings they continue to give credit to any and every conceivable event or experience they either individually or as a culture would seem to lack the cognitive horsepower to understand and thus give credit to, are artifacts of either individual and/or collective delusions.
So long as there's people claiming that 1 + 1 = 5, I'm going to continue to repeat that NO, it doesn't.
When will "you", that is majestic "you" in referring to everyone, those that believe in this sort of thing, get tired of believing in things that aren't true? How many times are "you" going to oooo and ahhh and gape all slack jawed and mouth breatherly in utter self deluded fascination over fantasies that are entirely the product of human created mythologies and imaginations?
Certainly these fictions are fun, yes, but real?
I suppose as long as religion persists in the human conscious, these fantasies will persist.
People mutilate the genitals of their children, mostly male, but in some cultures female too for similar delusional fantasies tracing back to imaginary super beings.
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Originally posted by Druscilla
reply to post by g2v12
I've yet to ever say that there is NO life anywhere else in the Universe at large.
Our galaxy, just our galaxy is so large that if you could travel to every single star at the speed of imagination, instantaneously, and spent only one single blink of a second at each star, it would take you 20,000 YEARS to visit every star ... each for only one second.
Do that for the entire universe and it would take hundreds of billions of times longer if not hundreds of TRILLIONS of times longer than the universe itself is old.
You could take every single word from every single language of every single language that's ever existed across the entire history of mankind and give each Galaxy in the Universe a single letter out of each and every single one of those words, and you'd have only covered a small fraction of the greater known universe.
The Universe is beyond VAST.
Certainly there's life all over the universe, and even intelligent technological life.
There's room for BILLIONS, and even hundreds of billions of intelligent technological alien civilizations all over the universe.
The very same vastness of the universe that makes all this possible, however, is the very same thing that makes it extremely improbable that any one of those potentially hundreds of billions of civilizations will ever encounter even one other, even if each one of those possible hundreds of billions of civilizations spans an entire galaxy each.
Then here we are; one single vanishing tiny bit of dust on a single planet.
Probabilities being small of any one single galaxy spanning civilization ever rubbing elbows with any other galaxy spanning civilization, you tell me what the chance a singular planet has on those scales?
Additionally, let's factor in Galactic TIME.
We've only been around as a species for how long?
How OLD is the Universe?
Sure, there's vanishing tiny microscopic chance some species somewhere might have maybe bumped into us, but, the likelihood is so small that it's near impossible.
All evidence for space alien contact, and alien implants as per topic are Psychological and artifacts of symptomatic actions typical or results of non-foreign well-known behaviors associated with common species of diagnosis associated with such delusions of space alien contact and implant delusions.
People have been hallucinating bugs, and demons, and other foreign bodies under their skin since there've been people around to do such. Often enough subjects will self harm to validate their belief. Because someone happens to tell a nice story about aliens implanting devices, instead of bugs, or tiny demons, invading a person's body, we've yet another sacred cow mooing away in the pasture of UFO Mythology.
Also, something else to think about;
The aliens are suppose to communicate telepathically?
So, um, why would they need to implant tracking devices?
Originally posted by Druscilla
reply to post by g2v12
Actually there's probably greater chance of us detecting life elsewhere, especially if such life is actively intelligent and technological, as well as the fact that we're currently looking for signs using spectral analysis and other methods.
Note; detecting, not interacting with.
As far as Generals, Police Officers and other sorts making reports on UFOs, you neglect the important distinction when it comes to separating UFOs, UFO mythology, and Abduction accounts.
There IS a UFO phenomenon.
That doesn't mean aliens are visiting us. It's a phenomenon which is yet adequately explained and remains unknown.
Abduction accounts, and space alien contact experiences where a subject also claims to have an 'implant', are an entirely different and separate thing from the UFO phenomenon.
Abduction accounts and experiences are quite readily and thoroughly detailed in Psychology, and these events can even be reliably replicated in a lab setting. Zero Aliens there.
UFOs, on the other hand, are indeed a real phenomenon, but, we as of yet know what that phenomenon is.
There's also UFO Mythology; all the stories, and assertions sprung up around the UFO Phenomenon, all brought to fore by charlatans, nut jobs, rumor, make believe and even outright lies.
There are very important distinctions in critical thinking when looking at this topic. It's important to separate each into its own relevant category to avoid cross contamination.
Thus, UFOs as a phenomenon survive quite happily and readily so without any requirement or need for aliens, but, are still open to the possibility.
Abductions on the other hand, quite successfully studied as Psychological phenomenon can avoid contaminating the proper UFO Phenomenon with all the off the wall and extremely shady silliness and story telling that goes on in that arena. It's a circus all its own.
Then, as mentioned, there's the Mythology aspect where we get Reptilians, Pleadians, Galactic Federation of Light, Ancient Aliens, Illuminati Aliens, Nephilim, Annunaki, Interdimensional aliens, and 25 dozen or more other different types of cartoon aliens visiting Earth for any and every conceivable and inconceivable purpose or design.
It's a good practice to learn these distinctions, and keep them logically separate.
Thus, I continue to stick to my assertion that abduction phenomenon, including alien implant phenomenon is largely psychological, of humans and by humans.
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Originally posted by kwakakev
.There are a lot of strange and bizarre topics and technologies tied into the alien literature that is around. Sure some of it might just be science fiction, but that is how most of our science fact first started. As for what the exact capabilities and specifications of any implants are does require fully understanding their operation. It is good to hear that there is some work going on in this area.
However, John Mack, Harvard Professor of Psychiatry and well known for his work on abduction, has been able to analyse a few of these rare objects in the laboratory. One turned out to be "an interesting twisted fibre consisting of carbon, silicon, oxygen, no nitrogen, and traces of other elements". This could mean it was any number of ordinary earthly things. Others were clearly "of normal biological material" - in other words they probably came from the abductee’s own body. Another implant that has been thoroughly analysed was taken from abductee Richard Price. A physicist, David Pritchard, subjected it to many tests but, again, he concluded that it was of earthly biological origin.
Of course it could be that the aliens are so clever they can disguise their implants as anything they like - a completely untestable idea that seems highly plausible to some believers and hilarious to some sceptics. Mack concluded that "... it may be wrong to expect that a phenomenon whose very nature is subtle ... will yield its secrets to an epistemology or methodology that operates at a lower level of consciousness". Hmmmm?