Make everything 'Free': A Voluntegalitarian System (utopia)

What about creating an economy where people aren't chasing BMWs? I think you need to work on a system for free food and shelter before you start handing out BMW's

Free Food and Shelter.....

reply to post by filledcup

and seemed very sure of himself that he made a different distinction. u see what im saying.. and look how many stars he got. these ppl are mad i tell u. and they look at the few sane ppl on the earth and call us mad. smdh

To tell you the truth. I'm encouraged by how well your thread is doing. All that has to happen is
for society to just keep right on going with out a currency.
Well you know where I'm coming from it was in my OP.
Everything would even right out, in just a few months.

Food and Shelter should be free just like water sunshine and oxygen, not something that makes us slaves
to an inhuman, rigid system of finance.that lines the pockets of ugly horrible people for life. Who will
show no mercy when they decide to grab back the financed property.

If this is the best mankind can do guess what ? He really sucks in the worst way


SnF

To tell you the truth. I'm encouraged by how well your thread is doing.
All that has to happen is
for society to just keep right on going with out a currency.
Well you know where I'm coming from it was in my OP.
Everything would even right out, in just a few months.

You believe this thread is doing well?
I can think of a handful questions right now - important, constructive questions, mine and other people's - that haven't been addressed, let alone answered, at all.

So, yes, the thread is doing well.
The discussion, not so much. As in: there is none, because "dissenting" opinions or propositions, no matter how constructive they may be, are cherry-picked for condescending replies (using historically typical animal imagery, e.g. "little piggies") and/or flatly ignored.
Which, again, is historically quite typical of the mindset that propels such experiemnts.

However, I do agree that food and shelter should be free for all. Absolutely.

reply to post by AdAstra


well if some people would read the thread they would see that their ideas arent unique and have been addressed previously. im not going to spend alot of time responding to each person's query whilst having to reply the same answer 3, 4 and 5 times.

they would also see that i plan on addressing all of the unaddressed issues in a response to come.

however.. i will star your post for the last comment. Food and shelter should indeed be free to all.. as well as clothing, education and healthcare regardless of how 'expensive' the treatment/surgery is.

reply to post by AdAstra

You believe this thread is doing well?

In comparison to the one at the end of the link I posted for commonality? Yip-purs, I do.
Star from me as well for showing some openess, to what I believe is a key that has been
provided and demonstrates truth. I know this may be patchy and vague but I don't want
to hijack OPs thread either. So the pieces are there. Click the link but try not to
disturb the grave.

Behold the paradox.

Originally posted by TheWrightWing
Great! I'll take my Free mansion, with plenty of room to park my free BMW's, Alfa Romeos & Bently's.

Oh, and a place to keep my Free Yacht.

When can I expect delivery?

Thank you, signed,

The Proletariat.

The payment is Labour....5 years for EACH item....

reply to post by Miccey

The payment is Labour....5 years for EACH item

No ! There is no paying for anything because everything is free. Even labor.

Originally posted by filledcup


well im still waiting on your position. are you saying capitalism is the best thing since sliced bread? hence there is no way to improve it? it's an ism right? so are u defending it's right to stay forever? or are u saying there shouldnt be any ISMs whatsoever as long as there are humans in the equation?

the direction of ur tone is obviously one that takes a stance against this idea. but do u have a better one?

My position is reality. The worlds top engineers and scientists couldnt come up with utopia, how do you expect me, or even you to do better.

There are variables and side effects that you cannot even imagine but yet you think you can solve the worlds problems by creating yet another not very well thought out ideology.

Im not a big fan of capitalism when profits outweigh the rights of people, ie. the dumping of waste in the oceans because it saves a buck, or the destruction of rain forests to make a few people a lot of money, Im against the unregulated banking system, im against chemicals leaking into the environments killing/poisoning innocent people, including children for decades.
But for all its flaws it has turned out to provide a good lifestyle and relative stabilty to our western nations, the only problem is that its at the expense of those not so fortunate enough to live in our western nations.

For the few to prosper, the many seem to have to suffer under capitalism. Like a giant Ponzi scheme.
Now tell me honestly, does that sound like im endorsing capitalism?

And like my previous post stated, the ideologies are not really the problem, its the people than run those ideologies that are the problem, now when are we going to address that issue?, instead of wasting time on ism's.

reply to post by Cyruay


I really enjoyed the movie "Zeitgeist: Moving Forward". It does cover many of the topics discussed in this thread and a few not yet covered such as robotics and trans-humanism, which I know tend to cause alarm in some people, but new and/or foreign concepts at least deserve discussion, imo.

The movie also discusses the concept of small specialized communities connected by a free-energy transportation network. Each community is self-sustaining. Luxury items such as boats can be checked out at a luxury item library. It's been a while since I watched this movie so I hope I'm describing it accurately, I'm only going by memory.

What really grabbed my attention in this movie though, was the amount of time spent discussing the importance of nurturing children, and to me that's the key to any society. We can provide all the material things kids want, but in the end, it's the love and attention provided to children in formative years that produces a well-adjusted adult who in turn, will contribute to a well-adjusted society.

Rather than impersonal daycare facilities children could be nurtured by the elderly, who have earned this honor with lifelong experience. Apprenticeships could be offered to children starting at a young age to pursue their interests and learn the variety of work-force opportunities available...

I dunno, there's just so many possibilities for a better future.

reply to post by hurdygurdy

I dunno, there's just so many possibilities for a better future.

How can you possibly fantasize about the future in the face of more important
events jumping off ? Like Syria.

reply to post by filledcup

a world without money -UTOPIA- no money no robbers ,no muggings ,no theft ,perfection no need for 1/2 of these cops sitting in their cars or in the doughnut shops . half the jails closed down half the judges and guards not needed . no need for banks tellers and no more elitists as all become equal abd we all get to get along as there is nothing to fear anymore ecept the false fears our leaders ,churches militaries ,cops and all of these other fools spout as they have lied to us all for many millenium and we have all followed them like blind mindless little sheep .and this list is endless

reply to post by OneManArmy


ill tell u this. a more open-minded view.. is not to set limits on others based on your own and others whom u revere's abilities and limitation.

did u see the link with the genius boy that was put in special ed and considered stupid by his teachers that i posted?

that's pretty much what happens when not so smart people try to judge people smarter than themselves.

might work pretty well if we could find a method for infinite free electricity, in an industrial robotic world everything can be automated, the cost is always energy, so find free energy, then everything is freely automated,

of course i think our current society would enter into chaos if we were to initially and suddenly switch into that sort of system, but if it was done slowly, or just after the dust settles, everything would be better,

imagine if the only time you spent in your day was doing things you want to do, because you want to do them,

rather then spending majority of the hrs of your week working for a company that you dont actually care about just to get the money needed to pay the bills and put food on the table

when someone does something because they want to, their passion makes them do a great job,

when someone does something cause they need to, to survive, they do the bare minimum.

reply to post by filledcup


Considering that the proposal itself is hardly "unique" and the fact that it was posted on a public forum, presumably for discussion, I would've expected each concern to be discussed accordingly. After all, they are specific, not theoretical fluff.
But, like I said, I know better know.

Like I also said, I do appreciate idealism. I am an idealist myself.
But I am also a student of human history and human nature.
Without taking them into account - not trying to suppress them - ideals only lead to bloodshed and untold miseries.

reply to post by AdAstra


that's a reasonable position. but u say ideals lead to bloodshed and suffering. the question is whether the ideals were ever instituted as they should be.. or whether they were tampered with to ensure certain individuals held power and reverement. i dont think we've ever had a system that was based on anything other than authoritative levels of heirarchy. there has never been a system where each person was regarded as equal and none master over another.

and well.. there is the fact that we still have bloodshed and suffering in this current system. so whoever's against idealism isnt able to prove the point that non-idealism was able to prevent these things.

Originally posted by filledcup
reply to post by OneManArmy

 

ill tell u this. a more open-minded view.. is not to set limits on others based on your own and others whom u revere's abilities and limitation.

did u see the link with the genius boy that was put in special ed and considered stupid by his teachers that i posted?

that's pretty much what happens when not so smart people try to judge people smarter than themselves.

I dont set limits on anybody, they do that to themselves. I revere no one, because we are all human, and we all invariably make mistakes.

Have you never played devils advocate?
Have you never tried to pick apart your own arguments?
Have you never tried to see the world from an opposing point of view?

Because the fact is everyone has a different point of view. So thinking that a one size fits all idea is going to work for everyone just shows a serious lack of understanding of human beings to the point of teenage naivety.

Now for your last comment...

Yes I saw that thread, but what has that got to do with me or this thread?

Are you trying to imply that Im not as "smart" as you.

Im not in an intelligence contest, I leave that for egotistical morons. Yes even some of the smartest people in the world can be morons, so invested in ideologies they cannot see the wood for the trees. So invested in their "education" that they dont question anything outside of what they were taught in university.

Id rather see the world with my own eyes, and study the materials I CHOOSE to study, not what some state with its own agenda tells me is reality.

So Id rather suggest that instead of insinuating stupidity, it is you who should "open your mind" to points of view at odds with your own.

The wisest man realises how little he knows. Smarts and wisdom are 2 different things.

To think that you can solve the worlds problems with yet another flawed doctrine just shows how naive some people can be.
Its people that need changing, not the laws that govern them.

If you want to change the world, you need to start with yourself. You need to become a bit more tolerant of those that dont agree with you. But hey thats just my opinion.

As for idealism, Im very much an idealist and would like the world to be an ideal world, but Ive also lived long enough to realise, some things never change.

randyvs
reply to post by hurdygurdy

 

I dunno, there's just so many possibilities for a better future.

How can you possibly fantasize about the future in the face of more important
events jumping off ? Like Syria.

Peace begins within and from there we pay it forward. We need to sow our own gardens before we we cultivate the world. K.

reply to post by HurdyGurdy


I believe your sarcasm detector is faulty Gurd !

Originally posted by randyvs
reply to post by hurdygurdy

 

I dunno, there's just so many possibilities for a better future.

How can you possibly fantasize about the future in the face of more important
events jumping off ? Like Syria.

Because everything in this present human society is inadequate and antiquated.

Never seen a communist/socialist stand beside a poor person after being elected unless the peasant were dead
or behind bars.
First thing they do is make a police state and keep the peasants as far away as possible, after disarming them.
Central banks is a communist invention.
Communism just another system to take wealth and give to a few at the top..
No discussion needed, read some real history books.